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We've got to play a back 4. Problem with your formation and selection is that it's too sensible, and has the best players playing in their proper positions, which will surely never work (according to our managers).

We used to be a stepping stone for players, now we're only a stepping stone for youth team coaches and backroom staff (or 15 year olds). Sad times.

Well that's disappointing if true re Fraser. Was hoping we'd get him, Aribo, Long, Edozie & Downs out early doors and get the much needed new keeper and powerful striker.

Looks like another terrible appointment, who we'll only have to get rid of again in a few months once Tonda is sacked. The dream coaching team alongside Ben Reeves presumably part of the team to make Tonda feel more experienced?! The coaching setup has become a complete joke now.

No streams then? Couldn't get a few of the above to work.

In the sense that he has been shifted out on loan to Belgium last year, and then not been included at all this year, whilst other lesser players have been. You could be right that he said he didnt want to be here, but he did post things about being close to and excited about a move in the summer for it to then fall through, rather than him just simply rejecting anything to sit around not playing. I'm sure after last year he would've been keen to move after being moved out a bit quick, and seeing his replacements in no hopers Brereton-Diaz and Cornet!

With Aribo now thankfully disappearing from the matchday squads and Edozie giving his "I'll be playing again soon" hints, are they gone yet? I do think Edozie could still be a good player for us, but has been messed around a lot and obviously both been told they would be moving on and yet haven't found a club. Puts us in a bad position, only likely to make the bare minimum on the players, but in the meantime probably eating up a large chunk of salary for doing nothing (see also Stewart, Long, Downs etc).

Aside from the convenient clean sheet yesterday, there was the argument previously that we need an extra centre back as we concede too many goals. How about trying to score more goals too? Most of the time the centre backs are just strolling into each others way and it clearly isn't working as we're still conceding and not scoring enough (despite dominating possession most matches). It was forgivable when the players were obviously trying to win once Still went, but now they seem completely settled back into this terrible passive rubbish.

It's a shame we've had both Roerslev and Jelert (who looked especially promising, but definitely underutilised by Still) injured at the same time. I think get one of those back, get Fellows starting further forward and possibly move to a back 4 and we'll be looking much better. Agree that Bree has been solid, but in a couple of weeks could have 2 good right backs at this level already without the need for Bree to return.

Can't believe how badly it's gone since then - looked like we had unearthed a real gem! We're due a Christmas miracle - could it be that Downs comes on as a sub, shins one in then goes onto score 10 goals til the end of the season?! Cue loan move announced New Years Day...!

Ah, I didn't realise that - only that he had yet to extend his contract and thought it expired in the summer, not next (27) summer. I might've been confused with our other main man, Aribo...!

I think it's more likely that someone from the Prem will offer around £20 million (and maybe upto £8-10 million for Shea). Not that I think we'd accept that, but think clubs would've started to take notice but test the waters quite low, and many will be aware of Shea Charles's contract and come in low. I expect us to loan out Downs and almost certainly look to get a new (more physical) striker in on loan.

Makes Stephens seem like Einstein. He'd be good on a night out with Matty Targett 🤣

Aribo's on for his high energy pressing... 😐 Absolutely woeful second half. Every time Fellows and Scienza get taken off we fall to pieces.

Can't get anything from Sky and even the usual Fawanews Cannot Be Reached (it worked an hour or two before kickoff).

If that's the worst case scenario then makes a mockery of the whole extended format, and imagine we'll see some of the biggest ever scorelines next year. Might even mean we could rest Harry Lead Boots for a few games so he doesn't look like he's running through treacle by the time we play anyone half decent 🤣

If we're doing a 2 then it should be Charles and Jander. I think Charles is one of the first names on the teamsheet?

Pereira is 32 (born in 1993)! Not really an OAP!

Yeah dont know why we're bothering at all with Aribo, might as well have Sesay and/or Williams on the bench instead of him.

Just gone onto the Goztepe site and translated via Chrome - some of the players names are 'interesting'. I'm not sure if it's only done some of the players, but the defence looks very good, including Arda Okan Survivor, Aegean Lightening, Taha Six Brothers, and personal favourites Ismail Village Head and Meal Flag.

Mine is also nothing to do with Lampard but nevermind! 🤣

I'd bring Matsuki on for a Centre Back - get another body in midfield where somehow we're losing the battle against a team that can barely pull a squad together. The 3 at the back always seem to get in each others way! Get Downes sitting deeper if need be, the extra body will have us dominate Wed. They can't handle Scienza and Fellows.

Worst Long Holgate-ABK-Larios Udoh-Traore-Groebaek-Orsic BBD-JuanLove-Cornet Still praying Downs comes good!! ABK could've been one of the best, but ended up being a complete waster.

Scienza, Jander and Charles are the only ones who have looked consistently good. Jelert looks very good too and needs to come back in ASAP, Downes played ok once or twice when could be bothered, and Wood been ok, but always think he's fairly limited, just the only seemingly strong centre back (or the equivalent of Eddie Hall compared to Edwards).

Think about their key strengths - Downs is known to want to play on the shoulder and run in behind - we've seen him score a good goal like this in pre-season, and from last season. Azaz is good at getting on the ball and slotting it through the defence for strikers - he's done this a few times for Armstrong who's fluffed it, but it is probably Downs who wants that sort of service and we haven't actually seen these two guys really play much together to utilise their talents.