SaintRobbie

Mick - I didnt want SISU. Like everyone else I thought we were worth more than that, as like many others I believed we had a bigger deal on the horizon. I was wrong. A better position 'but not by much' would see us safe and/or midtable now. Point is we'd be better off NOW with Crouch.

But we didnt win and we are unlikely to. So we have a choice: change and hope or die. Truth is the transfer widow closure will indeed limit a new manager now, it may be too late. But as you rightly say perhaps with a little confidence and fight, perhaps, these kids may claw a couple more wins out and stay up. But it wont happen with Wotte IMHO and more of the same. It might with a new manager who has a clue what hes doing and a fighting spirit... that ONLY comes with Crouch.

lol - no but I can tell you what they were last week and that is the point here Last week we were heading down... and the week before that etc etc. If we dont stop doing the lottery we'll keep losing a pound every week... why? Because in Saints case the outcome may already be fixed, which explains Lowe's reluctance to sell or let in Crouch.

I seem to recall they had more chance of staying up than we did on the last day. But it is not the point I am making. The point is that SISU then turned them into a midtable side with something to build upon with a good manager. Saints replaced Crouch with Lowe and a hair-brain scheme that was always destined to fail... and WILL. I bet Crouch would say he wishes SISU had been accepted, we'd be building upon players right now that would not be out on loan and we wouldnt have a dodgy coach, strange and shady 'advisors', chairman who are no-where to be seen at a time of crisis, good players asking to leave and kids running around like headless chickens on their way to a good plucking! But, as the question was more about the now... Crouch IS a better option than Lowe. We need him and a manager in place now though before we lose the transfer window and see Lowe turning up again at SMS, more protests, more division, more FAILURE.

Wotte can only buy young cloggies. We need experienced CCC men to survive - of which none are likely to want to come to Saints given the way Lowe's club policy has deliberately alienated them towards leaving. Its scandalous to be honest. Unless Lowe has a plan to go into administration, buy it up at a snip and turn this club into a permanent feeder club in League 1 I cannot for the life of me see the sense in this strategy.

I think their are two types of risk here Nick. Absolute and limited. We WILL relegate under Lowe, probably then go into administration... and then something rather sinister thereafter. We MIGHT relegate under Crouch, MIGHT find a new owner and MIGHT be able to rebuild. So on balance I would opt for the lesser risk. ... but yes, holisticly ie since Lowe arrived and had influence I would apportion blame along the lines 70% Lowe's fault and 30% others of which Crouch has a significant chunk. As I say, Crouch is the lesser of two evils. AND at least we get the fans back to support the team because of hope. Coventry were not closer to relegation last season. Regardless, I am talking about NOW. Whether it was accepted or not - AT LEAST A TAKEOVER WAS SOUGHT. It was on the table and things would be different now.

I'm with Duncan. The reason people are calling for Crouch is that he is a lesser evil until a buyer can be found. He has offered cash that should provide us with a chance to get a decent British manager who knows this league and may have some fight, afew experienced players and thus a better opportunity of survival instead of Wotte and kids. If Crouch was to take over - and I hope its soon - I hope he'd also employ a CEO who was charged with running AND finding a buyer - IN THE SAME WAY HE DID LAST TIME which led to the SISU offer...and how much better would be now; midtable with Chris Coleman???? I dont advocate waiting for Duncan's man on a charger to come and rescue us. I advocate going to the crossroads over the hill and inviting him to bring his horse to our oasis for a drink - you cant force that horse to drink but at least we may bring him there and/or recommend us to his friends. Sounds as if Crouch has tried to do this and IS still trying. So it is a complete no brainer. Crouch is the one hope we have to avoid relegation and can set us on a path towards new ownership. As long as Crouch acts as a saviour and is then prepared to give up his Chair as early as possible, he is our man. I think the vast majority also see Crouch in the same light. Lowe is reinforcing failure (for a devious reason IMHO), Crouch offers a slim chance of success.

'The arrival of Lee Molineaux saw him lose his place against Barnsley'. He was ****. Stay Rudi!! PLEASE!!!!! And start playing him Wotte you cretin. I guess it's too late. Another player who couldve helped save us leaves due to club policy. You ****ing ****** Lowe.

If Lowe doesnt go soon I think administration's his plan to be honest.

Could be. Anyone recognise him? Seems to be wearing a yellow away strip with his red and white shirt on sideways underneath... must be mad.

...but I gather he's been found:

Not funny this.

Ed... you've got to stay on in there to do what you can to get this club sold my friend!! Good luck Ed! COYEd!

Will be if the Echo carries a big advert for it tomorrow and Saturday morning.

Wonder if Crouch will be there? Personally I'd like to see him at the front of the march, even though he has been part of the problem as the only fan presenting a viable solution at the moment, but it his attendence could be misread as further point-scoring on Wilde and Lowe.

Local smokal! Get out there - sell this club internationally!!!

Echo gets all its stories from this messageboard. The point is valid. Lowe and Wilde = fan discontentment = more money spent on policing = worse finances. We could afford to bring back Dyer for a while for that. Wilde and Lowe whether its their fault or not are costing the club money. Their presence is a drain on the club - fans not attending, policing let alone the stupidity of Dutch Totally Crap football. They HAVE to go.

Dunno why Swansea are bothering with mind games this close to Saturday... our manager hasnt got one.

GET HIM BACK! They can have him next summer if we relegate! GET HIM BACK we might not.

no chairmans' present

Not this season.

Agent Lowe outed!

Not surprised - this sought of thing was bound to happen - been predicting it for a couple of months. Sadly there are fans whose passion for this club - whilst admirable - clouds their judgement. This sort of thing is disgraceful for one simple reason: How do you expect to find a new owner when people act like this? Who's going to want to buy Saints when this sort of headline follows if you fail? Stupid. Keep sensible and non-violent. One of the saleable qualities of this club is its family oriented mellow fanbase. I know things are tough and hatred reigns but this sort of thing is stupid.