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I've had, i mean seen, worse

FFS. You can't help yourself can you. You've thrown labels, had a few nibbles back, been told off by teacher, then go again. Please just wind your neck in.

You really are. I think most in this thread have the morality, humanity, and mental bandwidth to see the broader picture, and not label people wrongly. Alas, you're not one of them. It makes discussion tiresome and pointless - I'll engage no more with you.

Yep. He needs to act quickly and decisively. He can't wait for the march to be a shit show and give her the bragging rights. He needs to act on her insubordination before the event.

Hypo, you're being a bit daft, or thick, or obtuse. I'm not wasting my day going round in ever decreasing circles with you.

You cannot possibly try to argue that you've chosen to substitute the word Jews with Israelis to support arguments, and at best implied that people are anti semitic. Using your own test for anti semitism, it's easy to see how you could attract the islamaphobic tag. For clarity, I'm not labelling you islamaphobic, but I can see why others may do so, particularly given the standards that you use to assess anti semitism. In short, if you don't want to be slapped, stop swinging.

You're getting confused by the motivation of the majority, and of the loon element. As Whelk says "I think people are getting a bit worked up and doesn’t look like the march has any sort of agenda to cause trouble".

On the insensitive part, I was speaking with someone this week. Ex forces and suffering acute PTSD from horrific events in Afghanistan. This time of year is horrendous for him - loud noises from fireworks evoke awful memories , and trigger his PTSD. Remembrance is massive for him as it's a time for him to recall (and to some extent re-live) the impact of his military service on his life and family, the loss of his friends and comrade, as well as those gone before whilst serving their nation. Understandably he considers remembrance a special day, and that it's disrespectful for it to be diluted. Listening to him, and feeling his pain, has changed my perspective on the sensitivity issue.

There'll be a loon fringe for sure with their own warped agenda's,but that doesn't alter the motivation of the vast majority of people going. The met have assessed it properly and come up with what I think is the right decision. Hopefully the idiots are kept in check.

I think it's the sheer scale of this in the context of the size of Gaza, the wider Israel/Palestine issue, and the extent of the media coverage. There's been too much focus on posters, not the posts. That doesn't make for healthy discussion.

How the fuck do I know. Anyways, there's no point trying to discuss anything with someone who gets confused by anything he doesn't agree with.

But presumably you agree with everything else SoG typed?

Whataboutery. Other causes deserve attention/action. That they're not doesn't prevent attention/action for this one.

No other cause in recent memory has seen a country (if you can call Gaza that) that carved in two, and the half (where the majority of homes, businesses, schools, university, etc are based) all but completely destroyed. There's also the small fact that the Palestinians have been living under occupation and oppression with the support of the west for years. Lots of people find all of that objectionable. Sure, there are loads of other people who are treated appalling in this world, but the protests in support of Palestine/Gaza are legitimate. What the protests are not is a protest against Jews. The fact that the outrageous behaviour of the Israeli regime is perpetrated by (I'm guessing) exclusively Jewish people, does not remove the Jewish/Israeli distinction. The protests won't make any difference though, but if people want to, that's up to them.

Then why whine about it? The purpose is obvious. The people complaining about the protests seem to be the people quite content to see Israel carry on. People don't have to protest to support that cos it's happening.

You ask the wrong (rhetorical) question. The fact is that people are allowed to protest. It doesn't matter if they can't directly control the cause they are protesting for/against.

I doubt they will again. She won't be a minister by then anyways, and probably won't be come the weekend. You can't turn on the police like she did, use the language she has, and generally stoke the fire, and stay in role.

Little tip, when replying to people on the forum, don't be tarring with them the anti semitic label if your issue is with an MP or someone on the radio. I suspect that you're bright enough to do that.

Thank you. This thread is about Israel, so guess what, Israel and Hamas are the subject. It ain't complicated. What it isn't is a thread about Jews, although we have people who laid into SoG about his inadvertent/lazy labelling of Israeli's as Jews, now deliberately labelling Israeli's as Jews in a desperate attempt to show people as anti-Semitic. Ridiculous behaviour.

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Ha!! Says the most confused man on the forum. Keep your blue and white flag flying pal.

That was arguably the case pre 7/10, but they're firmly in the terrorist category for me now.

There has been no anti Semitism on this thread. Anti Zionism, yes, ditto islamaphobia and plenty of nonsense.

Have they though if Hamas have relocated? They would then be amongst an even more concentrated population in the South.

I think that's very likely. I posed the question before as to what happens in the south (and the people there) once Israel have finished with the north. We don't know whether the tunnels run the length of the strip, but if they do, it's possible that much of Hamas is away from the north.