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Strange points. 1 - the behaviour of the Hamas loons on 7/10 has nothing to do with the remaining (vast majority of) Palestinians being stuck with a "government" that they didn't vote for! 2 - the lack of Gaza democracy doesn't mean that Gaza people who would like a democracy should have to go to Egypt and / or Egypt have to take them. Jeez.

You make SoG's point for him. A huge chunk of Palestinians weren't of voting age in 2006. They did not vote for Hamas, so did not vote for the breakdown of Gaza democracy. They are not vote for what they have.

Why should Egypt take Palestinians? Why should the Palestinians have to go to Egypt? Perhaps it would be a tad better for the Palestinians if they lived under less oppression...even moderate Israeli's seem to acknowledge that Palestinians have been treated like shit.

I make no comment about SoG - I'm playing posts, not posters. As an aside ,there are a number of anti semitic (now racist) slurs on this thread from posters who have more class than to do that. On your main point, we must as a society allow peaceful protest, whatever the subject, and the government policy. It's for the police to deal with those acting illegally, but my main point remains.

I think it comes down to the intention of those organising, and the majority of the attendees. If that is to stand there holding a Palestinian flag and a placard saying "free Palestine" or similar, then there's no hate on that. If some loons then shout "death to Israel" or similar, then you have a hate element, but I don't accept that changes the nature of the protest. I take your point on numbers. It's impossible to quantify for me. However, if we start to see peaceful protests becoming generally aggressive, unpleasant, anti semitic, etc, then that's an issue to address. SoG has hit the nail in the head up there about the lack of balance in the discussion, and in the labelling. The government are throwing fuel on that fire. Wrongly labelling peaceful protests mean that we continue this issue of wrongly labelling peaceful protesters or objectors.

"I don't like what you're saying, so I'll imply that you're a racist. Bollox to my islamaphobia though".

Stay on topic Hypo. This ain't EDL. A few hate filed nutters in a group of peaceful protesters doesn't make the protests 'hate marches'.

Don't confuse the hateful behaviour of some individuals in attendance at the protests with the non hateful nature of the protests.

So all cool if Israel take out al-shifa? On to our domestic politics, Bravermans 'hate marches' comment was pathetic and unhelpful. As for Starmer, he lied through his teeth when back tracking over his support for the siege. I've got no idea what he'll come out with next, and I'm not sure he does either!

I get that, but there has to be red lines. Take the al-shifa hospital. Packed with patients and civilians using it as as shelter. Israeli says it's a place for "terrorists to hide". Let's assume that to be correct, and even a place where rooms are used for Hamas to meet. Israel have warned people to evacuate, and they haven't. Are Israel now ok to blow it up?

Sure, they're after Hamas, and in a tightly packed Gaza, of course they'll be amongst the people. But you don't take out 100 civilians to get 1 or 2 Hamas blokes. Rallyboy is correct in what he says. Israel, if you're incredibly generous and give them the benefit the doubt, are making minimal effort to spare civilians in attacking what they deem a legitimate target. They've been killing civilians, including shooting kids through the gaza fence and in the west bank for years, so I'm not giving them that benefit. I'd like to hear their explanation as to why some targets have been hit, and why they've been hit knowing they're likely to contain civilians.

I'm old school and have it on vinyl. I don't normally do compilations, but this is a brilliant collection of songs. Coles Corner is a thing of beauty.

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That kick didn't look accidental. He's got a case to answer for me.

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Depraved Hamas cunts Whelk. No need to make it an anti Muslim thing.

Edit. Just read the article properly. The attack was clearly aimed at Jews, so was clearly anti semitic. Sad times.

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Absolutely disgraceful. If it kept driving at the tank, then taking it out is fair game, but not when it's driving away.

Great to do between flat bench sets, especially in german volume training. 10 sets of 10 reps...flat bench, straight to supine rows 30 sets break. Repeat X 10. Anyways, I digress.

Yep. Or supine rows (an underrated excercise by the way).

Yep. And they're almost as annoying as the idiots who don't put their weights back, or drag a bench half across the other side of the gym and leave it there.

Thanks for the link Whelk. That's a really good, and thought provoking piece. There are few parts that I can't agree with, not the least the denial of the 1948 Nakba and his belief that the Israeli government seek to avoid Palestinian deaths. On the other side of the coin though, I'd forgotten about the 1993 suicide bombings - as much as the 7/10 attacks did not happen on a vacuum, that's a good reminder that some of the Israeli behaviour (and the overall mess) has not happened in a vacuum either. If anyone wants to read the article (I recommend reading it in full) it's here without a paywall. https://archive.ph/2023.10.28-061758/https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/10/decolonization-narrative-dangerous-and-false/675799/

Thanks. That's a good, balanced read.

I couldn't get past the paywall. The author is of Jewish descent, so is it from an impartial perspective?