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Jeez. Calling you naive was generous Hypo. Israel are not going to tell us anything other than what they want us to here. Israel have harmed Palestinians for years. Your belief that they're not doing that as part their response to the 7/10 attacks is simply astonishing.

Feck me. Israel have said it so it must be true, eh. They've been killing and maiming people, including kids for throwing stones, for years Hypo. Years ago they introduced bullets designed to disintegrate bone and the surrounding tissue, and used those on children, in the name of peace keeping. That is not the actions of a government trying to avoid harming civilians.

Behave Hypo - you're better than nonsense like that. You have as much 'evidence' that Israel aren't targeting (or as a minimum making no effort to avoid them being collateral damage) as I do that they are Your comment that "Israel are looking to reduce civilian casualties" is as naive as anything else you've posted on this thread.

I'll rely on the doctrine of common sense - 704 people have been killed in Gaza in the last 24 hours. That includes whole family's - all generations. It's beyond all logic that all these deaths, and targets, are legitimate Hamas targets. I'm in little doubt that the Hamas 'targets' are tenuous at best. Again Hypo, I'll leave it here because I can't be arsed to waste hours discussing something with you, and clogging up the thread in the process.

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Where's the evidence that is what has happened? Let's turn that scenario around. If Israel bombs a hospital (or a home, or a mosque, or a school) because they say that a Hamas member is there and/or attacks are being planned from there (but not being actioned from there), is that Israel legitimately targeting Hamas, or manufacturing a situation where civilians are likely to be killed or injured?

Where's the evidence that they didn't? They're taking out houses with families across all generations. Mosques. Schools. Businesses. I don't believe for one moment that they're targeting just Hamas. It seems that a Hamas target is anywhere that Israel can say that a Hamas member has attended, could attend, or may attend. It's destruction of Gaza in the name of Hamas destruction.

Essentially, yes. They said “In the following days, the IDF will continue to operate significantly in Gaza City and make extensive efforts to avoid harming civilians,” the IDF warned. “Evacuate south for your own safety and the safety of your families and distance yourself from Hamas terrorists who are using you as human shields.”

I hadn't seen that. https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/russian-president-vladimir-putin-suffers-cardiac-arrest-in-presidential-bedroom-an-insider-group-reveals/news-story/c02c8dff64dd79a4c8e53bec6ae8f3d8

There's a world of difference between Nazi Germany and Hamas. For starters, Germany wanted to occupy, whereas Hamas (and the Palestinians) are being occupied. Hamas, and the wider Palestinian resistance, will breed as a consequence of the force. Nazi Germany were an altogether different beast.

Hamas will never be eradicated though. Even if they are, there's Hezbollah, and others. Regardless, the idealogy remains, and it'll be amplified by the Israeli reprisals. Both sides are murderous, and although I can understand why the horrific behaviour of Hamas on 7/10 takes focus away from what Israel have being doing to Palestinians for a long time, the dispute needs to be looked at as a whole. Wherever people stand in this, I'm as sure as I can be that the longer Israel attack Gaza, the worse the cycle of violence will get, not better.

So your complaint is that you think that some people who in your considered opinion were inciting hate, should have been arrested. Gotcha.

I'm with SoG - I'm not sure what actual point you're trying to make. The protests in support of Palestine have been largely peaceful. Sure, there'll be idiots amongst that lot like the person shouting Jihad, and those people should be dealt with accordingly. The peaceful protesters have been treated as they should be, ie left to it.

And the police need deal with those people doing that. If you're trying to suggest that everyone peacefully opposing what the Israeli government are doing in Gaza (and the West Bank) is inciting hate, then say that.

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The police need only deal with people behaving in an illegal manner, to include obviously supporting Hamas.

Just noticed that. Not ideal.

Very good - took me a while 😂

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The issue is Israel and a Palestinian state living alongside each other. Regardless, I agree barriers will be Hamas ideology and the settlements. There's 2 way cause and effect between those 2, and no easy solution.

I largely agree with that, but I think 2 should more accurately read "Can ordinary Israeli Jews live peacefully next to an Arab state - Yes". I'm not as convinced as you that the Israeli state and some of its Jewish population will allow a Palestinian state and it's people to live peacefully. I point to the settlements and settler attacks as reasons.

Which is one of the reasons we'll never have peace. The Hamas idealogy of no Israel is as unrealistic and dangerous as the Israeli desire to occupy. Something has to give. I've never said that Hamas wouldn't stop killing Jewish Israeli's. It's you who seem to think that Jewish Israeli's don't (won't) kill Palestinians. However, there's no chance if peace if the occupation continues.

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If there was evidence that it was on Israeli missile, you'd think that the Palestinians would be telling us all about it.

I'm not suggesting that Israel shouldn't exist. I'm also unsure of the relevance of Jewish Israeli's living as a minority amongst Palestinians. What's needed is an Israeli state, plus a Palestinian state (or Gaza Palestine and West Bank Palestine), but until the Israelis get out of the west bank, and leave Palestinians to have autonomy, we'll have no chance of getting near peace. All this "if Hamas could decimate Israel it would" talk is nonsense because they can't, and will never get near that capability. They know that, and we all know that. Your belief that Israeli Jews will merrily live alongside Palestinians unrealistic. They antagonise and chip away at the Palestinians. Look at the settlements in west bank. Look at the almost daily settler attacks on Palestinians. Look at how the idf support and assist with that. Consider why the Israel government have purchased 10,000 assault rifles to issue to Israeli citizen, to include in mixed communities and settlements. It's a clusterfuck of a situation, but what did or didn't happen years ago doesn't solve a thing now. The international community need to get a grip on the situation and proactively support a multi state solution.