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My thoughts. I like Bournemouth, ditto the other home nations. As Antrim says, their issue with us has to be big brother envy.

I don't think anyone who's saying we wouldn't take £30m appreciates our financial position. We've always sold, it's our business model, and there's a greater need now more than for a long time.

Brentford aren't established in the PL. Villa are. They're in no danger of relegation. Besides, I'm struggling to see what's keeping JWP here. Success for us will be avoiding relegation next season. Villa will do better than that, and in his shoes, I'd rather be there and banking more cash.

They're closer to European football than we are, and doubtless could up his wages. Another £20k PW over a 5 year contract is another £5m. Money talks.

He was the only player other than Foden against Scotland who was positive. Good shout re Grealish though. On reflection, he's the logical change.

We'll miss Mount. I'd hope that he'll play Foden in that role, and bring Sancho in on the right. Chilwell won't be missed.

Yes. Weston and Antrim were commenting on steel post brexit, on a post brexit thread, so oddly enough I commented on steel in a post brexit context. Odd that you find that odd. If you want to start a thread about industry revival, crack on, and for what it's worth I'm all for the revival of the steel industry if its economically viable.

Tim, this is a post brexit thread, not a general "industry revival" one.

Tim, this is a post brexit thread, not a general "industry revival" one.

Again, nothing to do with brexit.

All great in theory, but the fact is that we've all but abandoned our steel industry. Remaining in the EU wouldn't make any difference to whether we have a viable steel industry going forward.

He looked poor when he played last season. While I'd rather go into the season with him than nobody at LB, I think we can do better.

Whilst I can't see any benefits of brexit so far, the steel argument is a poor one. Our steel industry was shot to pieces years ago. Whether we import steel from the EU, China or elsewhere, it ain't British.

There it is, the silly comment. I like him, but he's not as good as the other midfielders. It's that simple. Henderson and Maguire were both picked on their way back to fitness. When available, Henderson will add to the team in open play. JWP wouldn't. Pop a pair of these on.

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We don't know how fit Henderson is, and (like Maguire) he wouldn't be in the squad if Southgate didn't think he could play a part. The whole discussion goes around in ever decreasing circles though. Some saints fans just won't have it that the players selected are better. That's cool, we all have an opinion.

No. Henderson is the better player by a country mile.

I've never heard of him, but that was an amazing goal.

I'm talking starting 11 in response to the suggestion of playing Grealish and JWP. Henderson ain't starting so we can't leave him out for JWP.

Which two players would we leave out to accommodate Grealish and JWP? I'd have Grealish in over Sterling, but I can't make the case for JWP over Rice or Phillips at this level.

So pointing out deficiencies in one player, and suggesting that others can an offer more, is patronising now. A cynic would say that you wouldn't say that if the player played for another club.

I'm not seeing anything in that to tell me what JWP would have added. Kane's inadequacy was down to Kane, or our tactics, not the midfield. He was dropping deep and time and time again balls weren't going in to him. That's not a Rice deficiency, they were simple passes that Rice saw and could have made but didn't. That has to be down to tactics. What Kane didn't do is offer any runs to push their back 3 back. JWP, or anyone else in midfield, wouldn't have changed that. So yep, dribblers were needed to get behind their defence. As for JWP keeping the ball moving quickly, that's what he doesn't do. He dwells on the ball, whereas better players don't. We all see it differently, and as much as I like JWP for his commitment, energy, dead balls, I can see the faults I'm his game and accept that we have better. Far too much Saints bias from many in this discussion, and not enough objectivity.

This. Good player, but the notion that JWP could come off the bench and influence a game more than Grealish, Rashford, Sancho, Calvert Lewin, or even Bellingham or Saka is daft. If this was American Football where you can bring on a kicker, I'd get it, but in real football in open play he'd have added nothing more on Friday than anyone else.

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