S-Clarke

It's always been a thing, but like you say the window of opportunity is now smaller. 6 months to a year of your best players from a good season, pretty much all you'll get from them. No chance to build a team, no chance to evolve a squad - not without stupid money or the ability to fudge the books by selling parts of the club to yourself to get over PSR hurdles. Forest did overachieve last season, so ideally they'd have used this window to fill some gaps and add more quality to the existing - but they won't get the chance to do that, as the focus will be on just trying to stand still. PSR, FFP and all that rubbish has ruined football as we know it basically.

It's what PSR has done sadly. It's just hindering the lesser teams, it's created the most uneven playing field I've ever seen, when supposedly it was supposed to make it fairer - but I think they all knew what they were doing when PSR came in tbh. The smaller clubs have to hire accountants to work out what % of this % they can spend, but the bigger teams just get stronger as it's all based on commercial revenue and income. (or they can sell off parts of their organisation to themselves to make money - I mean wtf?) I don't really know what the way out from this is, but for promoted sites they simply have no chance. You can spend upwards of £200m and probably still go down on 20 odd points. The PL is broken and PSR has done it.

No chance, the club aren't that stupid. I see a lot of people saying that 'Bazunu is fine for the Champ' - but what are they basing that on? Last time out he was statistically the worst keeper in the Champ, so I'd suggest he's probably the last guy you want in goal.

Agreed, I don't trust our squad yet. Doesn't fill me with much confidence, the drop down from our 'better' players to the squad players is way too big. i.e Ramsdale to Bazunu, THB to Wood, Dibling to Fraser. We need to balance that quality out.

If they truly think any of that, then we have no future under the current ownership and management model and they need to go. That would be sending us to L1 at a very alarming rate. I don't think that's the case though. We will replace Fernandes, THB, Ramsdale if they were sold. You can't lose your best players and complacently fall back to your squad players and expect to be competitive. I'm sure they're not that daft.

They're all over Petrovic at Chelsea. He won't be going to Bournemouth.

Service is still running and streams are functioning, but they're AWOL so if you need to renew then it's dead. They've had a good run tbf.

No, he's the player. Who stepped on the pitch last season and screwed the team over by being totally ill-disciplined. That's where I'm judging him, as an on the pitch influence, and he is so poor. I'd be totally perplexed if we sold Bednarek/THB, didn't replace either and ended up with Stephens as first choice all season, that would just about finish me off.

The leadership and 'good to have around' angle is being played a lot with this one, but can we just rewind a bit and remember the squad he managed to 'lead' and 'inspire'? One of, if not the worst ever top flight team in history. That is not showing up top leadership or inspiring quality what so ever, in fact it shows that either no one really gave a shit about what he said if he was really throwing a rocket up people last year, or he didn't really do anything and was passive (which is just how he plays) He has had some pointless personal abuse directed at him, which isn't really needed - but it's all born out of frustration really. 99.9% of the fan base know he isn't good enough for where we want to be, he certainly shouldn't be the one 'leading' us into this new era that's for sure. As others have said, it's put a huge dent in the new setup before they've even really begun. We needed ruthlessness this season, not more rewarding failure and mediocrity. If we continue to do that, we'll be in L1 before we know it.

Probably not, he was one of the least culpable towards that though!

I don't think he's first choice, that's why 3 years is even more weird. In our current CB setup (without selling) it has to be THB and Bednarek, and even if we sold Bednarek or THB, you'd put Edwards in ahead of Stephens.

Potentially a club out of the running for Ramsdale, if they were ever interested that is - id interest from other clubs. Can't see any other gaps in PL clubs for a keeper at the mo. Of the clubs which are looking, Newcastle are pushing to sign Trafford and Manchester United have given Onana the ill-fated backing. Not sure where else he goes if he leaves? (Plus he's keen - if not certain - in his need to stay in the South for personal reasons)

But we've even lurched from owners, board members, DoFs, managers, scouts and we still make these frankly odd decisions. I hope this is the only ''WTF'' moment we have this pre season, as we can't afford any more! Is it too much to ask for to just have some common sense people running my football club? People that actually see what us guys see!

It's very much reminiscent of the Fraser renewal, and then a second renewal the summer after. It did us no good as we were lumbered with a highly paid player who didn't actually play for us in his final years. Cost the club millions. I'm really not sure what the motivating factors are on this. It's perplexed me.

Same, even when he was contracted with us when we last came down, there wasn't ever any genuine/strong interest from PL clubs. I don't know why that is. I think he'd be a lot better at some middling PL clubs than their current options, as a starter too. He seemingly doesn't seem to have many admirers in England though.

It's one of those club decisions I think, didn't want to upset the apple cart and move the captaincy around I imagine. Will won't complain as I'm sure he's a good lad in training, I hope he keeps him far away from the 11 though.

I will sit firmly on the fence on this one, I have no idea how it will pan out. This is the same club who signed Onuachu, Carillo and Mara at the end of the day. Attribute wise he has bits we've missed, 100%, so looking at it from that aspect it's a positive. No idea how that will translate though as he's fairly unproven. Hopefully they've pulled one out of the bag with this one.

I keep seeing this flogged out, ''we need more of his type'' ''we've had so few committed players over the last few years'' Let's not forget who has been front and fricking centre for the last few years? Jack bloody Stephens. Who showed the most ridiculous level of leadership and braindeadness last season when he got sent off and suspended for ages? The bloke has always been a liability for us, that didn't change even if we were in the Champ. To be honest the talk of him being a good lad is pretty pointless if it still contributes us to declining at a rapid rate. You cannot deny that this guy has been a massive part of our decline over many seasons. It's not all on him, it would be harsh to say that, but he has been front and centre of this shit fest and I really hoped we'd use this summer as an opportunity to do away with these sorts. This is a total brain dead decision by those now in charge at the club, and it's really put me on a downer as I'd hoped we had people in charge who now knew what they were doing. Seemingly we still don't.

He's not really though. We were at our best when we played Bednarek and THB. Whenever Jack came into the team, usually shoehorned in some way, we conceded goals and looked all over the shops. He's a lower half Champ CB, at absolute best. He is not someone who should be anywhere near the starting 11 of a promotion chasing team. There's no 'protecting' value involved here, as he's never going to command a big fee - 3 years or 1 year.

He's only 28 ffs?

This makes me question the decision making of those in charge, unfortunately. I had hoped we had a new clean sweep and the new folks had a general idea of what was needed long term. Jack Stephens certainly isn't that. He's a good lad, certainly gives his all for the club, but he's so, so limited and not good enough for where we want to be. He's the sort of player we needed to be shifting if we had long-term plans to be established in the PL. I doubt those plans now. If this is the start of a 'theme', I can see us going with Bazunu as first choice keeper once Ramsdale is sold and Will Smallbone holding the CM.

They've having a good old fashioned meltdown over on their forums.

And he also said (not an exact quote) ''I have a style, a way of playing, but at the end of the day I want to win, and you have to adapt to do so sometimes''

Yeah, exactly that. After 6 months or a season the 'may come good' line still holds some truth, they're worth persevering with, but after 3 years....if it's still the same story, I think the game is up. Bazunu, Larios, Edozie, ABK all fall into that category. I don't think they'll ever 'come good', I think what we see in front of us are the players that they will always be.

Not against keeping BBD, Bednarek, Taylor, Armstrong et all for this level, but we know there's no future beyond this level for them. The likes of Fraser and Smallbone aren't what I'd put in the quality bracket though. When we went down to L1, we bought the best players for the level we were at, players who were ready to come in and start on day one. They supplemented the likes of Morgan and Lallana, so we could aid the kids with experience around them. We got lucky as the team grew with each other and improved with each other, but like you say it's all about signing good players at the end of the day. I'm not against signing or bringing through young players at all, but it's all about balance. I just don't want the focus to be solely on signing talented young players, if we don't have the proven quality around them then they're never going to progress. I'm intrigued to see how we look in September.