S-Clarke

He has struggled with the intensity of a couple of games I've felt, but I still don't think that is anyway to treat an international - throw them to AFC Totton on the Friday before a PL game. A real shocking show of respect in my opinion, he's a new guy, he's just come to the club and the manager has treated him like that. By the same token, Elyounoussi and Diallo, who struggle against any team they play against and cannot cope with the intensity or physicality at all, are the first names on Jones team sheet. It just doesn't make any sense to me what so ever.

Another angle on his comments (i.e pandering to people, having to work with the players strengths we had) could be a dig at our transfers? We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but what are the chances that he put a load of Luton players on his wish list and we said no? Bree feels like a bit of a cheap compromise, but was probably as far as we were going to go. Honestly wouldn't surprise me. Only Nathan Jones would want Adebayo, Lansbury, Lockyer instead of proven internationals. Limited players who he knows.

I can almost guarantee you that's the line he'd trot out if that happened. He's predictable in that sense.

He was quoted yesterday as saying that we will see a Nathan Jones team in a few weeks and you will see what his game is, I'm not sure if anyone missed that. He was obviously referring to Luton coming to town, I'm totally convinced it was nothing to do with any changes he's going to make to us. That's pretty disrespectful on Rob Edwards to start with and equally another example of him living in the fucking past.

What Adam says is true, I can't see how he can stay in place. SR have put their money where their mouth is, but their decisions thus far have been erratic and horrendous. A big way of fixing that would be admitting they made a mistake and reverse this decision. If they sit on this decision it's not just this season it's going to erode, the toxicity will build and will take years to leave us if we continue on this path to try and save face. We need to think about next season now and attempt to build a positive environment to take us into it, we're down so we just need to prepare for the next season. You don't prepare for that with a manager who won't be in charge next season, it's like delaying the inevitable and pouring more and more fuel on the existing raging fire. They need to start dampening that fire down now so that we can start to rebuild next year, we can't still be putting out fires in the Championship.

I imagine there was a coming together with a couple, and then everyone piled in to try and separate it, so it looked worse than it was. Would expect emotions running high this morning, certainly after Jones has thrown everyone under the bus. Got a feeling Selles was part of it, not sure why but he strikes me as someone who has had enough of all this.

Yes, for sure fans have vent frustration of many years of crap - but I don't think it's fair to say that we're just giving him the brunt of all that het up frustration. He's bringing this all on himself, not just from losing games, but from what he's saying and how he's acting. He's single handily alienated the entire fan base, coaching staff and a group of first team players in one foul swoop. The only positive you can put on this guy is that he's united people.

I don't think I've ever disliked someone as much as I dislike this guy, and I usually give people a fair chance. But I can't stand his face, his actions, the way he speaks. Just everything about him is immensely unlikable.

He shouldn't be naming any players individually like he did, I'd even be disappointed if he named Diallo. Good managers keep that shit behind closed doors, they do not respond back to the fans with snipes which he has done on numerous occasions. He's an incredibly confused and unhinged individual. On one hand he will say the fans are entitled to their views, then the next sentence he tell us we must have been watching a different game and that his call was the right one.

One of the most baffling things from the last few weeks for me has been the return of Bednarek. This is a guy who was a major reason for our flood gates being opened, part of the 9-0's, part of the quick-fire collapses. He needed to go in the summer and we needed to replace him with better, which we did in ABK and DCC. So it defies absolutely all logic to throw the players we brought in to replace him into the B Team, recall Bednarek and start him in the team - and look what happens, we ship goals and concede in quick-fire succession again. I just don't know who thought this was a good idea.

Quite telling stats, he's been telling us for weeks that we've been better defensively and harder to beat. In the last 7 league games Ralph had in charge - ◉ 7 games ◉ 4 losses ◉ 13 goals conceded ◉ 5 goals scored [3 open play] Granted, that's not great at all and is a shocking set of stats....but, he's made us worse from a position we couldn't really get much worse from. And we're not better defensively.

There is no witch hunt, he is creating this toxicity. He is making our football club a laughing stock around the world by the way he acts and portrays himself, he looks and acts like a dishevelled mess. As fans we know when things are good, we're also equally astute to know when things aren't good. Using players as an example, you could clearly see that Tino was a good player the moment he touched the football, but on the other side you can clearly tell that Jones is out of his depth by almost everything he does.

You can now clearly see why Moi, Diallo and Lyanco have been almost ever presents in his teams. They know that they're way, way short of being good enough for this level so they'll toe the line of whatever is said so they get their starts. Moi strikes me as such a teachers pet, JWP similar to be honest, but even he seems a little more subdued. This is a huge test of his captaincy, which let's be honest has never been inspiring at any stage.

I don't think it can, anything which happens now is surely in spite of the manager given how he's thrown everyone under the bus. As much as I hate knee-jerk and fickle nonsense, I cannot see how his position can be tenable for any longer after his performance yesterday, both in game and after game.

My hunch is that this is a behind the scenes forum, heavily vetted, not live and not for broadcast. There will be some transcripts and maybe a heavily edited youtube video the day after where they answer questions about the pies, stats, Brentford and away fan segregation. Hope to be proven wrong, it's good that they're communicating at least but I hope it's not heavily vetted.

Totally, the players aren't blameless here. I still find it very uncomfortable that we have a bunch of players who feel like they can tell everyone what they want, they've been losing every week for over a year. I don't think they have any right to demand anything, they just need to get their head down and do exactly what they're told. The manager needs to be a hell of a lot more clever managing that situation though, what he's done with his comments is simply made them winners in this argument and you know what happens when the players win. They've still got a lot to answer for imo. Jones has been an unmitigated disaster and one of the worst people ever associated with this club, but let's not allow this to cover up some of the utter charlatans we have had playing for us for many years.

Those comments referring to himself as the 'best manager in Europe' were very ill-judged, but I don't think they're truly made up - it's a play on stats. He's obsessed with stats isn't he, so at some stage last year he probably looked at overall stats of xG, ball wins, crosses, counter press etc and saw he was up there with the best - he wasn't up there because of winning games, you know the important stuff, just stats. Again, it shows pretty clearly how stats can be totally misconstrued to create a false sense of greatness. Sadly Ankerson is fully onboard with all that stat nonsense as well, so you can totally assume that he was wanking over the same stats page as Jones - probably at the same time. That's an image you don't want to have. I still want to know where TDWar went by the way, conspicuous by his absence and now our fooball club is being run by stats without substance.

It's getting to the stage now where the actual games are a side-show as to what is actually going on, they almost don't mean anything anymore. We went down with more fight in 05. I reckon we'll be gone by late March.

I think this is where as fans we need to accept that we are a business, the people who own and run us have no reason to listen to anything we say. They will be protecting their investment and their money with their best judgements, not basing their judgements on fans. The sort of approach you're looking for is when you have those 'fans on the board' and fan shareholder group type things, but when you're owned by a group or an investor like this we ultimately have little input in influencing anything.

Did he? By all accounts we paid upwards of £2.5m-3m compo for him and his motley crew of unqualified assistants.

Yep, that's exactly it. Even Luton fans are getting fed up with him, and he's not even there anymore! They don't want him bringing up Luton in every single interview he has with us, because that's all he's doing. You could script his pressers. Reporter - ''So, Nathan, you've lost again - this is your 14th loss on the bounce, what are your views?'' Nj - ''With the greatest of respect this club has been losing a lot of games before I came here. At Luton we achieved amazing things on a shoe-string budget, I was statistically the best manager in the world.'' Reporter - ''But Nathan, that doesn't really explain why you are losing now does it?'' NJ - ''I mean this with the greatest of respect, but as I said these players have been losing for a long time. They were bad before I came here. At Luton we lived and died by hard work, aggression and passion. We need that here, because at Luton we achieved so much on a shoe-string budget. God-willing I can turn it around'' Reporter - ''But Nathan, you've been relegated. You haven't turned it around''' NJ - ''That wasn't down to me, look at what happened at this club over many years. When I was given time just look at what I did at Luton, did I mention I was the best manager in Europe?''

We should have only ever considered getting rid of Ralph if the replacement was better, there was no evidence even before he was appointed that Jones was any better. I think it's fair to say that Ralph had become stale, but I do truly believe that he'd have got us a few wins during the period we've just had. I always felt confident that we'd get a run under Ralph at some stage. My worry is if SR don't act quickly and make a change to the mood then next season will not be fun. It's not all roses in the Championship as Stoke fans will tell you, ditto Sunderland. If you fall down with the level of toxicity we have right now then it will be very hard to garner any momentum to go again, and once you lose a year it gets harder and harder. So in my opinion we need to try and garner some positivity now and take that into next season. We can then asses in the summer and get the right manager for the promotion charge, but there is no way Jones should be allowed to continue causing any more damage to our club.

And by the same token, how does Bednarek just swan straight back into the starting 11? It's no surprise that the flood gates have opened with him in the side by the way, there is a reason the club wanted shot of him in the summer. For some reason we've painted it as a positive that he's back, in place of the players we signed to improve on him FFS.

I think if we're comparing him to Jones today, then he was a raving success.

He contradicts himself all the way through that really, but that's just a consistent theme with everything he does. The main takeaway is that he's thrown a lot of players under the bus there, and maybe some coaches - he's not named names, but people will know who he was referring to and trust me this will not have gone down well. Mutiny in the camp is not far away me thinks.