S-Clarke

You're on your own here I think. I'd trade the amount of goals we've scored to have conceded less. To let in over 60 goals and be a promotion candidate does not compute, it's not compatible.

Might as well try and sum up what we just watched. First half was horrific, terrible. We didn't lay a glove on them, way too passive, way too slow, whenever we got the ball we had no answer to their press, we panicked and gave the ball away. It was a non-event. Second half - congrats on the amazing 30 seconds at the start of the second half, they should get a trophy for that I guess. But other than that it was same old. We became passive again, too slow, didn't attack with any purpose - but the defending was on another level. It seems unfair to pin it all on Manning, but we conceded 4 goals on his side as soon as he came on. He was standing off Fatawu like he was allergic to him, Aribo didn't do himself any favours either as he just ponced around and didn't get tight to him. It was a general shit show. There was nothing positive about it at all. The fact we came out with the most possession should tell you all you need to know, it's propaganda nonsense. If you press us and rush us we will crumble. We concede too many goals to be a valid promotion candidate and I include the playoffs in that. I should be looking forward to the playoffs I guess, but I genuinely can't be arsed.

The style of play has bored the shit out of me If I'm honest, I've never felt as underwhelmed from a season as I have of this one. It shouldn't have been like this. We should have been better.

66. You have to go down to the relegation battle to find teams who have conceded more.

What are the positives of his appointment? He has failed on his targets to date, which was to win the league. Second target auto promotion. Failed both. Third target playoffs, likely to fail that too.

I don't buy this waffle. THB, Manning, Downes, Smallbone, Brooks, Fraser, Bree - they are pretty fresh to this club in terms of regularly playing, so any scar tissue bollocks is nonsense. This is Martin's team, martin's tactics and martin's coaching. It's all out there for everyone to see.

We have now conceded 66 goals. The team nearest to us who has conceded more (74) is Blackburn in 19th. With KWP, THB, Bednarak and Downes in and around the squad that is quite simply not good enough and demonstrates a pretty clear flaw in whatever approach he is trying to adopt here. It's failed. If we stick with him and inevitably lose our best players and goals in the summer, we will be involved in the bottom half of this league - not the top.

He is the worst left back we've ever had. If he doesn't have to defend and he can attack down the left he can be half useful and provides balance against the lesser sides, but as a defender at the top end of this league - useless, not even a debate. But I guess we'll have to get use to more Manning level players next year.

Different level in managers too.

I can only think he's another family member of the manager, akin to Jones family we had on here.

Are you defending tonight's shit show, or the Cardiff shit show, or the Millwall shit show? This season has not been good enough in any stretch.

They shouldn't be though, and that's why this season for me will always be the biggest load of underwhelming shit.

This is an absolute disgrace. They have been embarrassed by a team we should be on equal footing with, in both games. Not good enough in any position. But it's how we're coached that is so horrifically bad.

This team is simply shit. Waste of time even playing the playoffs, just end the season now.

Zombie football is how I'd describe it.

You think we've got a chance of getting to Wembley? Season feels like it's already over.

What an absolute load of horrific bullshit. Outclassed by a team many levels above us, seemingly. Not acceptable.

It's good to see a proper 6 in there without Downes, we need Charles to be disciplined in the role though. I hope Rothwell is given a bit of freedom as I think he's blunted when he's stuck in a rigid pivot, could see the best of him if he's allowed to carry the ball forward. The team kinda makes sense tbh.

Yep, tried a Panenka like an idiot. He did make up for it with the 4th or 5th goal deep into stoppage time though.

I think the levels have been quite skewed this year, in both leagues. The 3 who came down were 3 somewhat established PL clubs with big wage bills and lots of players who had proven themselves to be top flight players, the 3 of us managed to keep hold of some real quality which has been why the levels at the top end have been so high. On the other side of the fence the 3 who went up haven't improved the level of the prem, they've not been able to compete at all for varying reasons. Luton gave it a good shot, but ultimately they are well off the level required - ditto Sheff U, neither were ever quite good enough to start with and they couldn't invest. Burnley did invest but they copied our approach and signed kids. I think Leeds/Leicester will give the PL much more of a go and drag the hoverers right back into the mix next year, Everton have genuinely got away with it (again) - because in any other season they're toast. You can pretty much tell the level of that league this year by the fact that the two teams who have been deducted points are still outside of the bottom 3.

I never understand when people say that, it's nonsense. Rothwell has scored some important goals for sure, but I just felt Charly had much more about him. Yeah, he gave the ball away sometimes (flair players do that), but in open play he could carry the ball which Rothwell seems incapable of doing. Big chance for Rothwell tonight to demonstrate his game in a more advanced role.

Not sure why, but I've kinda felt similar this season. I thought it was maybe that I was getting old and grumpy, but it has felt quite a chore to watch us which in my head seems like an odd thing to say given that we're on 84 points.....but I just haven't been convinced at any stage really, something nagging me that is just not good enough with this team/setup. I've enjoyed some games for sure, but it's not going to be one of those seasons I look back on in years gone by and reminisce about it (like the 2011/2012 season)

I believe Rothwell was his replacement, and if I'm totally honest with you - I have no idea, was pretty gutted when it was announced as it came from nowhere. He wasn't playing enough was the argument, but he should have been in the team every week.

Why would you want to sell him? Ideally we now keep him and make him a pivotal starter in whatever league we are in, he's a PL level player as proven. He was in and out of the side way too much and could never establish himself. Class player who we were lucky to still have, and we massively misused him.

Depends what his aspirations are I guess, but in my opinion if any of our out of contract guys were sticking around (Che/Stu/McCarthy) then they'd have signed by now.