S-Clarke

You're being a bit of a bore here. It's quite clear what everyone means by experience, it has been spelt out to you and on previous posts, so stop trying to be clever as you're tripping yourself up.

Might soften the immediate blow, but if I'm honest we could do without two clubs like that coming down with us. They'll both be extra competitive and will have money, it'll make next season more difficult. I think one of those two will go, but still hoping the other is Forest.

You missed out the diseased pitch.

If we see a substational change in playing staff then yeah, I'll be back in the Champ - don't have a ST this year, so it won't be a renew. However I will refuse to pay a penny if we are forced to watch Diallo, Bednarek, Lynaco, A Armstrong and co stink out the Championship.

I look at it similar to the Koeman season, that could have been a really, really messy season had we had an inexperienced/young manager overseeing that level of change. But we had someone with the reputation and presence of Koeman to steady everyone, and demand instant respect and high standards. We recruited well, but I think having someone of his ilk drove standards massively. An inexperienced young coach, no matter how much potential they have, will not do that - and in a summer where we will go through substantial change, we need a figure head who knows football at the top of it all.

A complete nonsense statement really.

I don't think we're naive enough to think he has no influence, maybe not full influence, but his fingers are still all over this no matter what anyone says.

Yeah I'd put Alcaraz, Lavia, KWP in that 90% cohort - but the rest are a bunch of wankers, and I include JWP in that after his 'efforts' today. I cannot accept that.

And who lead that? JWP. Good loyal guy and all that, but he is a key component of the leaderless mess we've seen this year. (And since he's been captain tbf).

It's really hard to single one out as 90% of this team have been utterly, utterly, utterly inept. They can all share this prodigious award this season, and then they can fuck off out of my club.

We've seen some awful performances this year, you could probably name at least 10 at home alone - but that for me ranks at the top now, it was so bad. We were down before obviously, but all we want as fans is some fight, some heart, some bravery on the ball. That was so far away from a football team today it was frightening. We didn't know what to do with it when we had it, we didn't know what to do when we didn't have it. A rudderless shambles of a mess, uninterested and non-motivated players and they have embarrassed this club and the entire city with their efforts. You can excuse a lack of ability or a lack of talent, but it's the lack of effort and desire from the 1st whistle I cannot accept. No one should accept that, not at any level of football. Bar 1 or 2 the lot of them need to go, put down some of them as they shouldn't be footballers - wrong career for a good cohort of this lot.

Very good point and something which has crossed my mind as well. I don't particularly think he was worth much as a coach, but I think we underestimated what he brought to the squad and the changing room vibe. Kelvin handled all the fines for lateness etc up until he left, so I don't know who took that on.

Great article, cannot disagree with any of that. It's exactly how it's played out in front of our eyes. I guess it's hard for us to see what goes on behind the scenes, but it's entirely possible that some of these young players we've bought are big billy bollocks and don't have the commitment the likes of Romeu and co had - so that has had a knock on to morale. Football isn't all about talent at the end of the day, and young players (As we have seen with our Jimmy-Jay Morgan) do have a tendency to think they've made it, when they haven't. They've not really had anyone to bring them down a peg or two either, as the guy next to them in the dressing room is another kid. Agreed that it doesn't show JWP in a great light as the captain of this joint. I've always admired his loyalty and he cares but as a captain I think he's pretty shit.

Steve Cooper is number 1 on my very short list. I don't think he stays at Forest next season no matter what happens with them, I think we should be all over that. Viera/Henry combo at 2nd - So much experience as players, they've experienced all personalities, they know the standards, they're strong enough to manage change and implement their views. They won't be yes men. Rafa - old school, but knows what he's doing. Might not totally fit with a long-term view though, which is my only question mark. But he certainly knows football at the highest level to help navigate us through choppy waters. Marsch - Still on my list but my last choice, has experience at the top level, has a style that potentially suits. Positive character etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dismissing young mangers because I think they'll be another Jones, it's just that we can't underestimate how big a job this is. It needs someone strong at the head of it, not someone else learning on the job.

The links to inexperienced managers concern me greatly, as if true it means the powers that be haven't learnt a single thing from this season - and that could spell certain disaster. I'm not dismissing the quality of 'inexperienced' managers, there is a high probability that some of them will end up going onto greater things - but it's all about timing. No matter what they think inside the corridors of St Mary's, this is an incredibly unstable and dysfunctional club right now. There is change across all levels from directors, coaches, players, managers etc. That level of change requires experience at all levels to manage, in some cases others stepping up to fill temporary voids etc. There will be a huge player turnover this summer and that is immediately putting a hell of a lot onto an inexperienced manager to come in and manage, he'd have never been in that situation before. If we had a bit more stability and we weren't about to go through wholesale change everywhere then we may be able to take a stab at one of those younger managers, but to do so this summer would be a catastrophic decision and another one in the long-line of SR blunders. We need someone with experience who the players will respect and look up to, can manage wholesale change and someone who can help attract players - in addition to getting the fan base on side. We've been burnt with a gamble so surely they are not daft enough to try it again, in what will be our most important season in a generation. Get this wrong and we are toast.

It's kind of odd that he's going to end his time here in the same peculiar way as he started his time here. AWOL with no detail on where he is.

I think if you play him regular it will be chaos at whatever level we play at, there's not a magic formula that's going to make him any less rash in the Championship as he is in the PL. Cannot criticise the commitment he shows, but I think a lot of it is played up to the camera to cover up his limitations. If we're serious about moving on from this horrific era of crap players then he we cannot be pinning hope on failures like him. Let him go back to Brazil.

As a fan base we're pretty placid really, so I've never understood any criticism directed towards the fans for the 'bad performances'. Have we tried to kill the directors like Everton fans? Have we chased our players cars down Britannia Road? No. It's been a bit of a slow death for us all, so the players are used to losing in addition to us - it's just the routine for the weekend now, we lose football matches and has been for at least 3 years. The most these players have got from us are boos at the end of the game, given what we've had to put up with for years I think they've got off incredibly lightly.

First thing we have to get right are the people making the calls - manager, scouts, recruitment, directors. That all needs to be in place so the people making the calls for next season are the people who are invested in it. Before we spend a single penny or sell anyone the above needs to be in place, but I think we all know that won't happen. We'll probably get to August still claiming we are comfortable with the current situation as Horseman and Martin line up to take charge for the first game.

It's been a weird season really, since Christmas it's been pretty much done and dusted, so it's been like a slow death since then. We've not been involved in the relegation battle at all, no matter what the media say. For that reason alone it's been easier to accept as it's been obvious, but by the same token the hate I have for these players is greater than would have been if they had an ounce of heart/effort about them.

There's having heart and there's being an absolute lunatic. You cannot build a stable team around Lyanco, it would be impossible. It would be chaos every week. He needs to go back to Brazil.

Jesus christ, give it up will you.

Or a LB, CB, RW, CM or AM. Basically he's not a footballer.

We were better in attack because of that, but we let in 4 goals because we missed his off the ball work. That must be it.

We are lower league though.