Thorpe-le-Saint

Supply teachers are hit or miss, nothing that has suprised me so far... Although they haven't said so far WHY this teacher was incompetent... ...Plus they have now got rid or are getting rid of the GTCE, it's toothless.

I tend to ignore them, but sometimes they will say something SO stupid that you can't help but respond.

O my god, you are priceless. Mods I think it's time this donkey was put out to pasture.

I'll give you that one, you can be educated to PhD level, but if you can't behaviour manage a class of 30 then you've no hope.

To be regarded as unsatisfactory by OFSTED, your lesson would have to awful. If no pupil can show progress by the time the lesson has finished, then that is unsatisfactory. There are many more criteria, but this is the 'gist' of it.

This.

Not every teacher would be on 30k, there would be a spread between 21k-30k...but why let facts distort your beliefs eh?

The school would use KS2/KS3 data, teacher assessment and data from something called the Fischer Family Trust which predicts a child's attainment based on where they live etc to make their predictions. Now the FFT predictions are more often than not not worth the paper they're written on (in my experience anyway) so the only accurate data is 'school based data'. All pupils who are predicted a D would be placed into a set 4/5 whereas your son would be in set 1. Each set would then come with it's own 'expectations', i.e. a set 4/5 teacher would be expected to get the majority of their pupils in that set a C grade. The only option is that unforunatly not all children are good at all subjects. For example I was predicted an A* at history but a C in Maths. If a child doesn't achieve their predicted grade (i.e. they achieve lower) that is the point when questions are asked. The pupils have responsibility too obviously as they have to revise, there is only so much we can do...

Did your son reveal how badly he obviously behaved in that class to be given that instruction? The children have a right to learn just as much as I have a right to teach and if that was me, I would not let one child disrupt the learning of 29 others as it is simply not fair. True, he should have been either sent to a member of SLT with some work or perhaps to Learning Development or the teacher should have called you in for a meeting (it's what I would do to try and resolve the situation) and there is no excuse for a pupil not doing work, but you have to understand, that teacher was thinking of the other pupils in that class and did not want their learning to be disrupted.

That is absolute ******** Mike, how the hell do you expect that teacher to know the national average of someone at year 10 when they're not 'nationally assessed' but only internally assessed in year 10? The teacher should be able to tell you how he is doing with regards to the rest of the class as their progress should be assessed internally every half term or so (that's the practice in my school anyway) though. Also another factor you are over-looking is that no matter what 'the average' is, depending on the ability of your child in that subject they may never ever achieve that 'average'. If your child is in a bottom set for example, the teacher would be trying desperatly to get those pupils to a C when testing would show that they would be probably be a D/E/F student. I'm afraid you probably go away from parent's evening looking rather stupid. It may come as a suprise to you but not all children are the same! This, by the way, is another example of people who do not understand how the education profession works and make accusations that are unfounded.

With regards to nurses fire fighters: ADULTS know how much effort these professionals put in on a day to day basis; we all have/all will at some point come into contact with them. Unless you have children, or you're a school governor, you will not deal with teachers on a 'day to day' basis and therefore less is known about the job we do and what is needed to do the job properly. Therefore people who have NO IDEA can have a pop and feel justified with their comments.

I'm going to revert back to my 'outrage' style posts I rhink as my sensible ones are simply ignored...

I can't, I have to rent :-(

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...'Little drive or motivation' says the man who had so much drive that he just about managed to drag himself out of his bed in Mummy's house and complete a HND.

You will find that with the 'baby boomers' now reaching retirement age they will simply wait for them to retire rather than to sack them. There are some older teachers who are absolute class and will be a loss to the profession whe they retire, but some are simply counting down to that magical date. You will generally find the poor teachers are the ones who have been in a school for say 10 years and are cruising along. To stay 'fresh' in teaching you need to move schools at least once every 3-5 years otherwise you will become jaded and unmotivated. This is all 'IMHO' of course. I'm not for one minute saying that poor teaching is reserved for those who are in their late 50s early 60s, but with the changes to education brought in during the last administration (NQT induction periods etc) it is far easier for a school to identify poor teachers early and give them the training they require. JB, I would imagine that these 15,000 teachers are those that have been identified by OFSTED as 'unsatisfactory'?

It will be interesting to see the response of the boyfriend if he finds out...I know one thing, I certainly wouldn't like to go in there after SRS ;-)

Rugby, any game where you practically have to grab another mans **** in a 'scrum' of sweaty blokes is out of the question. ANY sport invented by Americans also.

If I worried about stuff like that I'd never leave the house!

But your **** of a Tory mate Murdoch owns Sky...surely you want to fund his venture?

Yeah the private sector are always bang on when it comes to customer services. Stone the crows! I can't think of a single time when a business has screwed me over...

Well that is fair enough; ive tried the ignore function but I still have to read their bile when they are quoted by others - Ill be happy to give your option a go but I did warn you in advance :-)

Mods is there a way you can block my account from the off topic part of this forum before I end up getting myself banned? I can't be doing with these sorts of people and Im sure the feeling is mutual for them!

Oh and JB, I get sick of people, especially those who run a business, who think the whole world owes the private sector some sort of homage as the saviour and be all and all of job market. For people like you read 'muppets' who should have thought about what job offers what before they applied and now regret the decision every day.

Remember one pupil out of 1500 because I took his Ipod off him - Again, I was using it as an example to illustrate how some poor sods get this every day. Until you become an OFSTED inspector dune and tell me otherwise, Ill hang onto their 'Outstanding' rating thanks.

I don't want you're pity and frankly you are in NO position to comment on my teaching - the pupil was dealt with, I was merely giving an example of a situation which some poor souls in this profession face on a daily basis.