Nineteen Canteen

Laughable, take a look at my post history, I have only started posting about football issues because the season has only just started and the close season was dominated by ....off the field issues, correct, well done. Funny that and once again deluded and misrepresenting me to suit your own twisted agenda to try and ridicule my posts because of suggested mental issues when you seem to have a 'block' yourself. You need help.

Get use to it I have to. Anyway I have somewhat more to respond to and prefer those that don't make assumptions about me personally so they get disregarded. I post not to wind people up but to share my personal views on the subject and see no value in merely posting to say +1. FACT, I know my reasons you don't, FACT.

I agree Wes and therefore as a hero IMO he is somewhat flawed a wasted talent even though to prove it, it would have been at our expense. A bit like a top class athlete refusing to travel to a distant Olympics to prove his ability because it's to far from home. I have never underplayed MLT's contribtion or ability just doubt his suitability as our No 1 player and a football legend given the title of his book and interviews yesterday my opinion hadn't changed. I wouldn't have minded him leaving to prove he was world class because he would still have been a great player for us and probably the greatest. No different than the way we champion Channon, Ball or Keegan and others. Finally, you will note I have never asked questions or challenged the status of Ted Bates which you seem to overlook when you mention the likes of Crouch and McMenemy. Comes down to respect and a hero has to be one you feel has given their all.

Classic response - all in your opinion of course

All true but MLT could not be held in the same class as the likes of Zidane and Maradona which in tennis terms is a bit like comparing Seles and Navratilova to MLT's Lindsey Davenport.

LOL! What a very unpleasant thought.

Lots of abuse but not one attempt to argue my opinions just sad attempts by the insular cliques to try and bully a fan from their little 'do you want to me in my gang' thread, which for some is a kind of appropriate title. Just about every non-Saints fan I have spoken to would tell you MLT scored some great goals but was a little rotund and lazy at times. Is it beyond your parochial comprehension that fellow Saints fans can appreciate that criticism is actually quite just? All those lies and abuse for posting a view and as yet I have not hit the red triangle even though your collective diagnosis are all wrong and damaging to me personally. No doubt a few windbags and upstanding individuals will not follow my example and continue their vendetta to get this nasty little man removed from 'their' site so they can carry on massaging eachother's collective ego's unsullied by an alternative opinion.

I love a joke - all the better when served with gravy. Thanks Benny you may have trumped Scudamore to the post of the day.

I think the length and tone of the response suggests that I am not the liar you make me out to be and that you have tried to defend and steam roll your personal agenda through this forum and I am just the idiot who sympathetic to your situation didn't agree with your approach. Whats the chances of others contacting the club and kicking up a stink for similar requests now a precedent has been set. Somewhere someone is going to be disappointed and the merry go round will start again. I have not made you feel selfish about collecting for charity and remember your indignation when your wish to collect outside SMS was refused? Who played the selfish / moral outrage card then? I won't go on as you have me on 'ignore' but hopefully your post watchers will let you know as the next time you are doing a fund raising event for cancer then please let me know as I would like to make a donation and having supported my wife in 3 5k 'Tesco' runs this year I would welcome the opportunity to support your efforts.

Not really, ever been to Jamaica or Cuba or Dominican Republic to name but a few.

I thought pride came before a fall? Still I bet you don't take your youngest 'nipper' to watch the coaching with all those old 'skates' about. BTW Mr 2 degrees and son or son-in-law of a University Lecturer why do you feel the need to try and talk in accepted 'football / inner-city parlance'. Incorrigible behaviour living the stereotype to big up your 'middle nipper'. Nice one Corky!

The cameraman had forgotten his pass and had to shoot the entire game through the letterbox.

Thanks Influenced as always the voice of reason. For the record I have repeatedly said I had alot of pleasure from watching some of MLT's finest moments but have also always found it difficult to defend him against his critics and it appears so does the likes of Tame, Hypo, Scally and the rest. we all live our lives by different codes and I for one being blessed with little god given talent, sporting, artistic or otherwise have never understood how those touched with greatest can afford to be so wasteful with it. I guess that is why we have so many industrious players and so many talented players that fall by the way side in the academies and early on in their careers. They think they are good enough and can rely on talent alone and it was telling MLT believed he wouldn't survive in an era that he spoke about as if he played during Channon's height when the game was very different. Personally, it's players today with the talent and attitude of MLT that we see a rise of the African nations in a lot of sports but especially football and athletics. They despite their talent have a drive and focus not tainted by the trappings the average young sportsman in this country has and perhaps when you have to run 7 miles a day to get your drinking water a Plasma TV. PS3 and a hot hatch are not that important and don't help your fitness or focus. As sporting heroes go then MLT doesn't really cut it even as a dedicated Saints fan whereas Channon having the drive and determinaton to reach the pinnacle of two diverse sports, is IMO. MLT's approach and view of the world doesn't seem to have changed and I listened yesterday flicking through the paper I came across a quote from a genuine sporting legend Muhammad Ali that I suppose sums up why MLT will never quite cut it as a great: 'A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted thirty years of his life' I realise MLT has a way to go to 50 but I don't see that laid back attitide changing and the one that allowed others to easily criticise his contribution to the sport he loves, seemingly carried it on into his efforts to save our club. For all our support IMO MLT ultimately did Take Le Tiss but not as he intended.

How about one of the programme stands or the burger bar near the Northam footbridge? Amongst Crouch's many fine moments, his programme notes were right up there and we are always told McMenemy knew his onions.

Perhaps he can't afford it or simply given up allegedly trying to buy an important role at the club. IMO I have never bought into the fact that he was giving his money solely for the love of the club but more like a business transaction or the kudos. Why? Because no matter how much he 'donated' or 'wanted to donate' we always seemed to get to know about it. Just my opinion of course but if Crouch and McMenemy have moved on then that is a big relief as much as Lowe and Wilde disappearing from our environs. Mike useful observations about these 'hangers on', thanks very much.

LOL - absolutely love it - can't beat a bit of subversive comedy. Little one liners like that make it worth logging in.

I suspect you are avoiding the issue.

Thousands? Are you on the turnstiles Hypo? I have yet to have one ask me on my views on MLT.

I did, so what is your point? All I've done is repeat what our hero told us and how I felt a bit short changed that he could and should have done more to elevate his greatness. What a Waste and perhaps really Taking Le Tiss?

I doubt many would read it so possibly correct course of action. Goodbye.

And you speak for all 11,300 ST holders for starters + the other c.9,000 regular match day attendees and god knows how many plastics. Delusions of granduer Hypo and still no counter argument.....

Try breaking down my view of the interviews Hypo and convince me I am wrong. At the moment all you are doing along with the rest is strengthening my resolve that my points must have some validity.

Not at all, Just listened to the man and what he had to say and anyone who didn't come away thinking thank god he wasn't our chairman or feeling a tad short changed that he confirmed what his critics have long thought - is deluded IMO. How great could he have been?

And I stand by everything I said. Why because I write from experience Daren and did the charity thing after it was too late and I still support the club's stance on charitable acts be they donation or whatever. I can understand why you were upset but IMO I still think you thought as part time local sports journo you had a right above the fan on the street for the club to heed to your request and yes I was worried about you giving the club a bad press afterwards as you clearly but unjustifably felt wronged IMO. It's my opinion you hate me for Daren and that opinion does not make a bad or evil person. I just thought airing your grievances on this forum for something so emotionally charged made it difficult if not impossible for people to comment in favour of the club for fear of a verbal beating and hence my tone which I suspect you have taken an extract once the fur was flying. This was probably after your somewhat sanctimonious stance on my use of the word cancer in another legitimate context when allegedly you first brought your mother into the argument. Anyway, glad you've taken me off ignore and it couldn't have been that 'ferking' great without me afterall.