Nineteen Canteen

Minus the romance of course and you can read Clarkson's column in the Times without being worried with regard to paying for the safe deposit of your vomit.

I think it's far to say most are motivated by their son's involvement in football and the coach without that sole motivation is a very rare and important beast.

Eyes K8, I was being slightly ironic about the consistency of our fanbase and I seriously believe Liebherr will invest very little beyond the purchase price and structure he has put in place. We will spend what we earn, end off, and hopefully those deluded by his wealth will show some patience. Just my totally impartial and unconnected opinion.

Wes, delusional Skate fans? And what about us Saints fans - 'We are a premiership club' . Paul Allen and all that.

Allegedly it's a well worn path just past smiley central.

Butlins? Girlfriend and the kids? This may not seem obvious but it may be time to re-evaluate your travel plans and find a new soul mate.

Chuck on taxes, bag checks, toilet usage, etc etc and don't expect much change from £200.

Mr Liebherr doesn't gamble or make loans allegedly and we will fund our rise through the divisions by the profits we generate from our consistently loyal fanbase and the fact we have no operating debt to service. You could have the richest owner in the world but it means nothing in terms of speed of promotion if he doesn't want to commit funds beyond their original investment which surely is the shrewd thing to do looking at it dispassionately. Looking at Pompey's position it seems to me you have two hopes. Gaydamak has a change of heart and stays or you go into administration and shamelessly screw those stupid enough to lend you the money in the first place. As we have found -10 points seems a small price to pay to be debt free but it is a disgrace tbh and no doubt many small businesses lose out.

Gritty stuff? MLT alluded there wasn't anything like that and he was concentrating on the football side and what people have said so far is that its quick to read and IMO all a bit fluffy. I am now interested although you are the first to mention this so I will continue to treat it with caution. Tbh on most threads I am in good company and just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me less knowledgeable because I assume you're not so big headed to consider yourself right on everything. Remember I don't slag off MLT the playing legend. He was and probably will always be peerless at our club. What I do take issue with is when blind faith takes over and people treat him like some untouchable and as I have said before even playing legends have their faults and we should feel free to discuss them. MLT was lucky message boards weren't around in his pomp at least with not so much profile otherwise i suspect some of his 'lazier' performances would have been slated by those with little knowledge they were critcising he who could never be faulted.

Has given me the impression on numerous occassions that he struggles to motivate himself and his playing style suggests he would be far too laid back for management. Pundits are simply ex-players playing at being managers without any accountability or responsibility and I suspect if he became our manager under pressure of the microscope his perception, intelligence and fairnes would soon crumble as IMO recent pressures and expectations of him have shown. MLT's personality has shown that he is ideal for a PR role or a role in media. IMO his profile does not suit the cut and thrust of football management or a business savvy club chairman and I believe it would have been a disaster in any event.

Trouble is Phil words in society still speak louder than actions and the establishment are good at rolling out the oraters if nothing else. I don't suppose things will change until the old school tie network is broken and that won't happen unless they turn Eton and Co into comprehensives or until such time we have a cabinet educated at Cranfield and in my experience many of those you wouldn't want to put in front of a box brownie despite their apptitude at the job.

I think you have to look at Keane's ability and attitude on the pitch compared to our two and you soon come to the conclusion that as a managerial potential neither could hope to hold a candle to Keane. In comedy terms a bit like Frankie Boyle vs Mike and Bernie Winters.

Agree 100% with that and they are both in the same bracket as Skacel. Trouble is we are probably not going to be able to offload them because of their wages and that in turn is bound to have an impact on how many more new players we can recruit.

Personally, I would feel short changed by that and I rather he used these 40 pages to tackle some of the more gritty issues during his career at Saints. What really went on with Lowe and how he was perceived honestly by MLT and in the dressing room. Some of the accusations levelled at McMenemy and also the things MLT knew about after he finished playing and his views like the Wilde takeover etc. This is what I would call the heavyweight stuff, the more meaty issues as oppose to lightweight fluffy stuff that most of us know and the 'funny side' of pre season etc etc - all a bit boring I'm afraid and the same stories could be told by every professional player past and present from any club. The gritty heavier stuff is what sells books and makes them a good read, of the reviews so far I won't buy it but no doubt some well meaning individual will surprise me come Chritsmas and it will be read before the last present under the tree is unwrapped. Thanks for the reviews but it kind of sounds disappointing coupled with the comments from MLT and his brief with the publisher and his biographer as IMO its Hiley's work.

It does - is that figure rounded?

LOL - Le Tiss exposed as J K Rowling

I will if it's on a par with the Miilwall game but be honest some of the recent unrest voiced on this forum wouldn't fill you with confidence and how big is the Brentford faithful? As big as Millwall's? ST's of 10,500 ish leaves 6,500 to find on a Saturday slap bang in the middle of the school holidays and a game against an unfashionable team. My opinions a side the portents aren't exactly good for a crowd pushing 20,000.

Danger is we underestimate Brentford having been promoted from league 2 last season. Quick look at the stats and they had the best away record in L2 last season and last week had an impressive 3-1 away to Carlisle who were no mugs in this league last season and of course a bit of a hike for Brentford. Must admit initially I thought a relatively straightforward victory for Saints and a march onto -6pts. Now though having looked at it in a bit more detail I would be very happy with a 1-1 draw minus the Davis heroics this time to keep us in the game. I still believe it will take Pardew 6 -8 league games to get us playing well together and to get clear in his own mind what his best team is. With time still on our side and the huge disadvantages we are overcoming a draw at this stage will be a good result and a display that shows somes promise.

Judging by your posts my assumptions and opinions are as relevant as yours and until we are publicly told otherwise that situation will remain. Admittedly your position is easier to defend and requires less thoughtful questioning and a clearly over riding need to feel popular but fortunately there are a minority of fans (at least on here) that can support their club unstintingly and still challenge the thinking and actions of others when required. I am happy to stand behind my opinions until proven otherwise and even more happy to share my views on this forum if for no other reason to challenge thinking that IMO is at times based on nothing else but past reputations and the forcefulness of the poster concerned. It's not about getting noticed Daren, in fact that is the last thing I crave, believe me. The really sad thing is that we both have the time to post on here.

That is the problem I have with some of our fans. One game and they decide sod it I'm not going until they start winning. Very fickle and the result of the last game so early in the season should have no bearing whatsoever on the next but considering past seasons drop out rate after the first home game (since premeirship relegation) then difficult to see numbers above 17,000.

Not really - what are you doing now - writing.

No one is ever beyond reproach and when people start believing that then generally that is when the cracks appear. The problem I have is that those who perhaps tried harder than MLT to save the club are not afforded the same humility or do we only forgive legends and ignore IMO their questionable judgement altogether?

Quite, Paul McGrath - now that was an autobigraphy worth reading as it jad an appeal not just away from his clubs but outside football. On the intellectual bit is that why you don't do your pseud's corner piece in the Pink anymore?