Nineteen Canteen

I'm still not on your ignore list I see. Another one who can't stand by their own comments or scared you may miss some entertaining debate?

That maybe so Robbie but the double standards you display are startling. Had anyone else tried to save the club and failed in the fashion of MLT would have spent the rest of their days in pillory as I suggested earlier. Do you think Lowe deliberately set out to put the club in administration? Of course that was not his attention but because of one major mistake appointing JP and not Wotte as manager from the start he failed in his bid to save the club. What's the difference? It's all to easy to write off MLT's error because of his status but it doesn't change the fact he was culpable IMO inseriously hampering our chances of a decent start to the season and nearly losing a very good deal for the club. Unforgiveable in my eyes like those who can't forgive others and their role in our recent past.

Actually I have 'Lord' on the back of my shirt.

You are wrong on so many levels and I'm surprised you have only just woken up to the fact you irrelevant posts and attempts at 'humour' as indeed wasting the time of forum members.

Exactly, which ultimately leads coaches to serve him as an example of what might have been as oppose to what he was - a flawed genius in general terms along the lines of Best, Gasgoine and Worthington and others whilst lesser players like Pearce, Lineker, Robson, Terry et el epitomised what could be achieved with passion, commitment and desire to try and be the best they could be. MLT had it all. Did he use it well? Not as well as he should have IMO.

Ambition to reach the top of his game. MLT only tried to reach his pinnacle after he retired.

I think you are largely right about MLT's involvement but that does not IMO excuse his lack of judgement and it would seem lack of independent advice. I would personally be happier if he came clean about the whole affair and I found his alleged comments on Sky inappropriate to say the least and did he provide an apology for his own alleged ommissions? Many remain blinkered by MLT's deity status at the club and any other individual who acted in a similar way and with the same result would have been put in pillory until kingdom come and that I'm afraid is double standards and unacceptable.

I think there are a few respected individuals who will be able to confirm I am a supporter and very passionate and committed one at that but one who is not deluded by mob rule and will base his opinions on his own observations even if it is contrary to popular misheld beliefs.

OK your perogative but you must be pleased Tisdale stayed at Exeter?

It's amazing given where Leeds are today that Eric Cantona ever played for them. Your turn

Yes I am and I have two season tickets to prove it although unlikely to sit next to you as you prefer watching Exeter.

Says the man who went to watch Exeter v Norwich

Silly comment - shall we go through the Leeds stars of the 1970's and far more recently than that.

No need - a far more balanced assessment of MLT is being debated 'off topic' on my unrealistic expectations thread. For the record MLT was fantastic for us but as a sportsman he ultimately under-achieved and wasted his talent. Some sportsman are content to a be a big fish in a small pond but that doesn't make them inspiring. IMO Channon is the greatest player to have played for Saints and the fact he has elevated himself to the pinnacle (must stop using that word) of another sporting industry shows what ambition really is all about.

Or 'You can't do it, don't even try' - H Simpson I won't buy his book because for all his talents IMO MLT didn't achieve what he should have done and the title kind of reflects my opinion. I like my sporting books to be inspiring and the pinnacle of sporting achievement as oppose to a sense of what if in this case for the man and not SFC. That said I shall pop into Waterstones the next time my wife wants to go shopping and a lazy hour skimming through the chapters will probably tell me what I already know.

IF.......a little word that if read could have saved you a lot of trouble Wes.

That maybe the case Mike and I think you are right IMO but that does not excuse the alleged view that he did not take independent advice. I suppose to draw an analogy its a bit like buying a house solely on an Estate Agents bull ( who you happen to know) as oppose to appointing a solicitor and an independent valuation before proceeding. MLT was probably hoodwinked but he made some grave error's of judgement IMO or if you prefer 'mistakes'. Not everyone fell for the TL posts most notably Unguided Missile and I still remain of the opinion that serious businessmen trying to close major deals do not communicate their business on an internet forum but perhaps I'm just old-fashioned.

Wes as someone said recently on here 'react to the post and not the poster'. I'm sure I don't need to tell you the meaning of the word 'if' or the fact I was reacting to the tone of some unrealistic posts and if that tone doesn't change whilst Pardew plays catch up we may be in trouble as evidenced in our recent past. I'm afraid I didn't read your dissection of my comments as usual you revert to your anal windbag approach and tbh I couldn't get past your opening 3 words - 'Why oh Why' - I am not Barry Took and this is not Points of View.

At the risk of taking my own thread off topic I will answer your question. My opinion is that MLT did not at any time set out to harm the club. However, given his revered status at the club he must have known the importance that would be attached to his endorsement of the Pinnacle bid. He must also have known that if the bid failed to deliver his status would become somewhat tarnished and as that reputation is his major asset which could provide him with a job for life he had far more to lose than Pinnacle or the administrators. If he did make a mistake I don't understand why just a few days before the bid was pulled he was still backing it and how that corresponds to his recent comments on Sky as I mention above. Until such time Matt comes clean about the whole affair and admits he made a mistake as you put it then I will remain deeply unhappy about how IMO he has conducted himself including his appearance at Millwall last week that I feel detracted from Mr Liebherr's first competitive game and the man we have most to thank for guaranteeing our future. IMO MLT was lazy and laid back about endorsing this product and given the seriousness of the situation should have taken some independent and expert advice instead of allegedly relying on those with most to gain. Of course I maybe wrong but taking everything at face value IMO this is currently my conclusion but would welcome a full and frank appraisal from the man himself. The title of his autobigraphy kind of says it all about his attitude to life and whilst someone as skilled as him on the pitch can afford to take that stance away from it you will eventually be found wanting. Regrettably, IMO MLT turned out to be as far removed from Niall Quinn with regards chairman material as Quinn was as far removed from him on the pitch.

To be fair you have been saying that for months.

An opinion I strongly agree with and tbh made more resolute with regard to MLT's alleged (I didn't see the programme) comments on Sky that it was obvious Pinnacle did not have the funds shortly after entering exclusivity which begs the question why at the 11th hour was he still backing the bid and giving dissenters such as Fitzhugh Fella a hard time? Anyone who ignores this issue is kidding themselves and the reason I brought it up in my OP was the fact that it appears to be the same people with the unrealistic expectations of our season and IMO still living in the past.

If Lambert is lazy what was your opinion of MLT in his playing days? Not sure we need to debate his post playing career.

Nick Hornby was right when he wrote 'The natural state of the football fan is bitter disappointment, no matter what the score'. This is surely never more true than the reaction of some fans on here who seem to have forgotten that a few weeks ago we were close to going out of business but saved by one man who despite some allegedly shoddy treatment as a result of being usurped by a bunch of chancers and IMO a tarnished legend he decided not to hold that treatment against us. Pardew has made it clear, mid table is the aim and only misguided legends talk of us as play off hopefuls maybe to cloud the role he has unwittingly or otherwise played in our poor start. Oldknow has informed us our spending will be commensurate with the league we are in and we know Mr Liebherr's deceased father's doctrine was only spend what you earn which at the moment I reckon Mr Liebherr is down about £10m and any further loans to the club will be a gamble in line with the policy followed by his father. The biggest hurdle to our success will as always will be the unrealistic expectations of our fans and as per my analysis on the build up thread to today's match we were very unlikely to win as Huddersfield are strong at home, had a great pre-season compared with our preparation which conservatively thanks to the tyre kickers and their IMO misleading endorsement we are 6 weeks behind everyone else. I have every confidence by the middle of next month Pardew will turn us around provided as fans we maintain the same level of passion and support and don't start getting on the case of our saviour/owner or the manager and his team. If we do we will most assuredly reap what we sow as we have in the past 5 years. So let's adjust our expectations and accept we are a league 1 team playing in league 1 and with a 10 point deficit so to avoid relegation with a degree of comfort will be an achievement and the absolute No 1 priority, no more no less. Anything else will be a bonus but only that in preparation for a serious challenge next season. One thing is for certain if we voice dissent or reduce our support in any numbers then IMO Mr Liebherr's pockets will grow deeper but his arms shorter.

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