Nineteen Canteen

Sick standards, scum, pop a pill, very sad, pill ridden brain, your adjectives are as stuck as your opinion Daren. Sundance Beast seems to have had a valid point if strongly put across but I suspect you have been selective as usual in your quotes. No club can ever put themselves in a position to attend to every tragic wish. 1 in 3 people in this country will suffer from cancer and many of those will pass away. I don't know how big our fanbase is but that could be alot of shirt signings and that has always been my point and the point of others. Saints have a fantastic charitable setup with Saints in the community and for you to suggest otherwise because of your personal experience is wrong in my humble opinion. If they had contacted you and said no, they couldn't win, because they would have ended up in endless debate like I have with you because it would have been Staplewood or whatever. Why didn't you just stand in the car park on match days like the kids do with their magic markers? Like I say Daren and understandably you were unable to divorce yourself from the club's stance because of your personal circumstances but unfortunately tragic as though it is, it doesn't make you right IMO and never will. After my wife had breast cancer and masectomy 3 years ago and continues her drug therapy we became all of a sudden big campaigners for Cancer Research and doing various runs and helping at charitable events. I do it but deep down I can't get over my hypocrisy because it took that life changing event for me to wise up and think that I could lose her. Why does it take such damaging events to make us do something worthwhile? My father also passed away not along ago and I also spend a lot of time collecting for the charity of the illness that killed him. Again isn't it all a bit cynical and should we all not follow how Saints choose to work for charity? Choose one or more worthy causes and do your bit without reward or fanfare, before like us we feel the need to do so because of our own life experiences? Yes I am a newspaper snob and the only time I would get near the Daily Mail or the writings of Martin Samuels would be if the Andrex factory went on strike. (Funny you think I read the Guardian)

You're up early Gaffer. Have you got first shift on 19c watch? Sorry I was trying to be friendly I meant McMenemy but I guess they were looking at success and experience beyond an FA Cup. Still mustn't forget McMenemy's seat warming days under Taylor, do I not like that. Linesman!

Steve Perryman and football managing god Mr Tisdale?

That applies to half the squad to be fair

The good news just keeps on rolling in. Done nothing of note since our play-off season and brefly flattered to deceive last season before reverting to type. Sod the money I would take it in Nectar points or air miles.

Patient? (not as in sick)

When I heard the name I was thinking Mrs Scott Minto.

Can Notts County attract players in Div 2? If they can attract Sven on £40k pw for 2-3 days work then I expect there will be plenty of players willing to take a pay rise to join Notts County. My guess is that we will be in the same league next year but by which time our patient approach may start to pay dividends. Look at the money being thrown at Man City - 10 strikers and Bridgey in defence. Too much money can help you lose focus but it will make a massive difference in League 2. I don't know anything about Notts County situation but would be interested to know what led Munto to buy them as oppose to Saints assuming the deal was done recently. No agenda just curious, was it debt, the points deduction, price. I'm not suggesting we are a sleeping giant but are Notts County? Anyway I think they will catch us but our patience and more considered approach will pay off. £40k pw on Sven is a complete waste of money wouldn't Lawrie have been interested or too many hours?

A few years back I had neighbour whose wife had a couple of horses and with about the same amount of money and logic as yourself bought a cheap Discovery. Probably the worse decision he ever made and god knows how much they spent on it or in it parked on roadside verges. Anyway turned out it was an ex UN vehicle and done most of it's life in Bosnia but not in it's metallic(ish) green.

1066 actually, it was Pevensey not Hastings.

Good question John and it's a debate I am continually being sucked into. Perhaps for some they are unable to move on before they have been able to make sense of, or accept the past and I don't mind helping them to work through their issues.

Daren you love to make stuff up and if you think I tried to paint you as someone twisted and slightly demented you are wrong and that is your own twist on what was said at the time. I just supported the club in it's decision because if it did it for one it would set a precedent for all and be inundated with requests. Rightly or wrongly I thought you were abusing your position at the time and whilst understanding your anger didn't agree with your views. From posting my opinion you have kept upping the ante so to speak and that's up to you and its hard to depersonalise these things but clearly you will never appreciate my opinion but the club's stance was right and had it been different they would have been making an administrative and potentially PR rod for their own back. I'm sorry you despise me or that you think my illness is worthy of ridicule or in some way makes my views easier to ignore or rubbish. Trouble is you don't know my story and i don't really know yours but I have never used the emotional distress you must feel as a stick to beat you with and your emotive and insulting outbursts. If you depise me , put me on ignore or don't read me in the same way I don't choose to buy the Daily Mail or read the likes of the overly inflated Martin Samuels whatever paper he writes for.

Yes. The ignorant dismissed the stupid for their suggestion the world was round.

Martin Samuel = Daily Mail. I think that is all we need to know about opinions Daren.

IMO I think Mr Liebherr is treating them all like the naughty little boys they have been and showing them the error of their ways.

I must say I enjoyed that picture in the Echo. Mr Liebherr sitting there with a big beaming smile and some decidedly uncomfortable and dare I say glum individuals sitting behind him. Mr Liebherr has got his decisions spot on so far but this is his best yet and draws a line under all those who IMO had varying degrees of culpability to the downfall and near extinction of this club. make 'em pay and charge them 'first class' prices for the privilege. Many have said that as soon as Mr Liebherr signed on the dotted line this club was reborn and we start on day one. Not so much AD/BC more AL (after Liebherr) and BA (Before Administration) Anybody rooted in BA, time to pay up, anyone who delivers in AL then reap your rewards and learn from the mistakes of 3ba and the people that time forgot or distorted to suit their own agendas. Happy days

If you can't play nice Daren what's the point? Perhaps you would like to discuss the words prejudiced, racist or handicapped, amongst others or perhaps I am misunderstanding why you choose to stoop to terminology used by a bloke who chooses to holiday in Bangkok and still feels able to dish out the insults to me. Rise above it for all our differences I thought you were better than that.

If sh1t was wit you would be constipated.

The point is Daren I seriously doubt if the second relegation would have occured if Crouch had not jumped into bed with Wilde and the sluice gates allegedly opened wide on our reserves. Lowe is the fall guy only because he came back and in many cases it's an easy and prejudiced target for some. Pearson or not the cash situation was so bad we were only heading one way and deep down I think you know that but refuse for whatever reason to accept that Lowe was not solely at fault. In fact any of the ex-directors could not have saved the club without crowds the size of which I doubt we will achieve this season. The damage at the start of last season was already done and Lowe tried to make a silk purse out of the sows ear delivered by two years of mismanagement and false promises. In the end the sows ear may have been marginally better minus the poor attempt at window dressing but regardless of Pearson the points deduction and relegation would have been the same.

Is your name Daren? He doesn't need the intelligensia to help debate the issue.

Reminds me of Shoot magazine back in the more innocent days when it didn't feel embarrassing to ask your newsagent (in front of you neighbour) if they had the latest copy of Shoot! in stock. The players could answer questions like what car do you drive? BMW? Audi?? Citreon Saxo 1.1 full bodykit. Don't be embarrased you could drive an X5 or Q7! Apparently when Peter Crouch was asked what would he be if he wasn't a footballer, he answered: probably a virgin!

Ummm, I can't put my finger on it but I have an additional sense of foreboding with the imminent arrival of this year's school holidays.

Buy the same token then you could argue that Lowe tried to make amends... Perhaps we had 3 really good triers whose biggest crime was they couldn't try together. Like Frank's Cousin is always saying it's not the supporting of Lowe that concerns us 'luvvies' it's the lack of balance and blind assumption that he should be the fall guy (Minus the monster truck) - on that note perhaps Crouch and Wilde were the Dukes of Hazzard?

What if the guy in question was a woman?