Smirking_Saint

Like I said a moment ago, Ive never felt so distant from this club, ever, even through the administration. If this is the era of openness then bring back the days of cortese's secret handshakes and iron curtains

Im with you clarky, Ive never known you to be pessimistic about saints, like me you have always seemed to be pretty objective about all things saints Fact is, as a fan, ive never felt so distant from the club I love, a big part of me doesnt care anymore, I do t know whats gone wrong in the back corridoors but its obviously wrong

Chambers is gone... More or less confirmed

Id of said its pretty obvious it isnt a fire sale, and I think we will be clear of rekegation however I genuinely believe squad upheaval especially, what ? 5 weeks until the season is potentially very damaging indeed for preperation, for that instance I dont think you can completely rule out relegation however I think we will be clear, a bottom 10 finish for me though You cant really blame people for questioning the board, the level of departures worrying, damaging and personally I think points at certain rifts in the camp

Gotta love those big blue trees

Can someone please start a thread for horny OAPs so we get get on with discussing which rumour crooks read next ?

There is so much wrong in this post

This arguement is pointless as there is just no way of knowing that. He looked ok vs utd in lg 1 for instance.

Its still pretty daft. David luiz 50m/lovren 9m or 20m Kroos 20m/ lallana 35m Is just daft, you simply cannot compare transfer values

If we arent looking to sell then the price is what we want. Using Kroos and Khedira as examples is just daft, transfer fees in the whole arent comparable. Is Morgan worth more then 20m ? No, but we arent looking to sell so he is worth whatever price a. We attach and b. The buyer is willing to pay

I very much doubt thats helping the situation

Capable but nowhere near the same level of ability

Possibly, IMO he is better than both lallana and shaw (different positions i know) and surely falls under the home grown category for squad registration, this must add the premium aswell. Personally I think he is our best player, lallana wasnt worth 25m, lovrens not worth 20m and in the same vain Schneiderlin isnt worth north of 20m but this should be a sellers market

You didnt know ?

I disagree with that TBH, Ive been openly critical of how the club have been handling exits (thats not an invitation to discuss it here BTW, plenty of other threads) I think that the players bought in and those we are looking at are perfectly acceptable. Pretty much the level we are aiming at. Money or not we arent likely to get a big big signing due to A. Not being one of the big boys and B. We wont be attractive after shifting our top players

He was falling into a comma Thats terrible, sorry

At the right price it would be a good deal IMO

Whilst I agree with the pricing model the transfer window itself has absolutely no basis to how any finacial market models work. There is a supply and a demand but ultimately the fees are wildly different. For example, three names, carroll, lallana and kroos. The most expensive of which is the least talented and visa versa. Realistically we need a couple in the door to make ourselves attractive to those players that arent just interested in cash.

Once again you're far to busy riding you're high horse to see the actual points being made, that sort of comitment to your pretencious cause has to be applauded

I think that we are stocked to cover it but I still think that he is our best player and losing him will be the biggest blow. None of the others are a patch on him imo

I think that the fees were generally good, but Im hearing hungry eyes are on Lovren, chambers, schmeiderlin and even cork now There comes a point when you need to be strong and say enough is enough. I was resigned to Shaw and Lallana leaving but its getting rediculous now.

Im not being petulant just because I believe (and has been alluded to) that there is an issue in camp. My opinion isnt completely polarised is it ? I have always been very optimistic in the main on this board, and tried always to stay unbiased. I have contact with people at staplewood so always had a slight inside track. Its my personal opinion that although we were resigned to losing players we could have managed things better then we have. Is that petulant ? You should try calmy attempting to post how you percieve the situation to be only to be shot down ad infinitum with nothing more then 'its all money, its obvious' as proof ?! Ive not been banging on over and over, just said I dont think things are happy in camp. If that makes me petulant then oh well. FWIW Ive said I think KL has best interest at heart, we just were a mess for a few months and have niavely handled this situation. I think other posters should look at how they respond to those they disagree with to be honest.

Thanks for sort of making my point. Gerrard and henderson are not natural DMs, Gerrard is more of a playmaker now, like Pirlo for Italy, for Liverpool generally his responsibilities are to help break up play and keep the ball moving, hendo plays further forward. So, what does Woy do !? Plays them both infront of defence for catastrophic consequences, Gerrard in the whole had an excellent season playing deep for LFC, some of the media were saying he was europes best there on earlyish season form (i dont know if i agreed by the way) by the end of the season he looked exhausted, he litteraly gave everything to LFC and I think it was obvious at the end how tired he was. Hodgson then brought him to the WC and again he looked tired to me. Now, ok, he is past it now but the england CM is lacking, he could have done a job, Woy played 433 in warm ups and we looked ok, against Costa Rica he played 3 in there and we looked much better so why try to get away with a static two in the WC !? Im not saying SG was good enough in the WC at all, he wasnt, but Woy managed to make things worse IMHO

Its pretty hard to tactically **** up the left back position though

You need to ask yourself, behind all of this big cap earners are there ? Regardless of their abilities ? Genuine question not point scoring ? Behind say, gerrard/beckham/rooney etc who is there ? Regardless of both of our percieved ability levels of those three behind them is very little at all, thats englands real problems. That and an insistance to play all of our stars regardless of whether they can play together or fit the system