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Greg Dyke advises Ed Vaizey, the Tory Communications and Culture Minister. Dyke has been at the forefront of formulating tory policy on the media both before the last election and after it. So still no programme listed and analysed for bias, Sergei.

Again, one man's view. Greg Dyke or any other chairman would provide quotes to the contrary. As I explained to your fellow foamer, this is all beside the point. What matters - all that matters - is evidence of programme bias. You're now added to the list for homework. Go and find some evidence please of programme YOU find biased and why. Explain why the BBC has as much venal bias as Hannity or Beck on Fox News.

Did you miss the phrase in the first paragraph 'in the past'? How selective IS your eyesight?

Still hard of reading, I see, Sergei. This has been asked and answered. I'll give it another go on the offchance you'll understand. It doesn't matter what people say about their opinions. ANY line of a statement can be ripped out of context and made to appear to support this cuase or that. For example, the line you quote from Peter Sissons also includes this: At any given time there is a BBC line on everything of importance, a line usually adopted in the light of which way its senior echelons believe the political wind is blowing. This line is rarely spelled out explicitly, but percolates subtly throughout the organisation. It's a criticism that many would recognise - that the BBC tends to sway with whoever is in power. As for the others, Stephenson CLEARLY meant 'left-field' (read the original statement), Garvey talking about champagne bottles? Gosh! Really? BBC employees drink alcohol? Etc, etc. And for every quote you can find a counter-quote. For example, against Marr's 'gays and ethnic minorities' point, there is Greg Dyke's (a Tory, remember) complaint about the BBC being 'hideously white'. An outspoken Tory runs a channel at the beeb...and so on. But NONE of this matters. What matters is the programmes. Otherwise how does the BBC transmit its bias? Do they do it by some means of transfusion straight into your bloodstream? Are they the bad guys out of The Matrix? Programmes have to show 'bias'. Who is the Hannnity or Beck of the BBC? Tell us! Why are you so coy? Is your argument so pathetic that you can't find a single example? And what programmes on the BBC consistently reveal a Marxist ideology (in dune's empty-headed phrase) or at least persuade us to erect an left-wing Orwellian totalitarian state? Give us your own textual analysis of how this bias occurs and where it can be found. Just a few examples. Is that so hard? I'm waiting. Not just for you, but for your foam-at-the-mouth chums like dune who, having slung the accusation of left-wing bias out there, runs away and hides when asked to provide the slightest evidence in actual programme content.

Alright, I'll make an exception for you. Give me your analysis of last night's news. Present all the evidence of rabid left-wing bias that you can find. And don't go creeping off to the Guardian (shame on you) websites to cut and paste your answers.

Admit it Sergei, you cheated. you have just copied and pasted your ENTIRE comment from here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/user-comments/HenryTree

And for these heinous crimes of BBC staff having some political opinions, no one makes a single claim about any actual programmes. You REALLY must try harder Sergei. If the BBC is biased in ANY meaningful way, it must surely exhibit itself in the programmes it makes. So give us an example of ANYTHING even remotely on a par with Hannity or Beck. Or, just anything...

Really. So the BBC is not biased in any of its programmes, but some its staff have some political opinions. Is that the absolute best the foaming wing of Saintsweb can do?

I'll wave my rattle at you from the Kingsland, if it's all the same to you.

So I see. Because it's so unreasonable a question. After all, this thread was started by a (scooby-like) foamer with the express purpose of decrying BBC bias. And yet here are, going on for 200 posts, and no one has come up with a single example of BBC bias to compare with Hannity or Beck. It's not looking good, is it dune.

So to sum up, you have crap GCSEs despite your private education, and no one among our resident foamers can come up with a single instance of BBC bias on a par with Hannity or Beck on Fox News.

Delldays. It was the best he could do, poor thing. Why am I still waiting?

Come on Sergei. One last go. Your original musings on bias in specific BBC programmes.

So why on earth are you here, other than to advertise your superior GCSEs?

Actually now you mention it, I can see the socialistic encoding in Who Do You Think You Are. It's rewriting history. And don't get me started on Crimewatch - shopping all those entrepreneurial criminals to the state.

Is that on BBC1 or 2? And isn't it called Who Do You Think You Are?

Focus, hypo - dune has his excuses but an Old Etonian like yourself should be able to do it. Examples of bias.

Examples of bias please. And make sure it's your own work.

I'd have thought a private education would have easily given you an answer to that question. Oh dear. Now back to the thread - examples please

Since my question went unanswered by our resident foamers, I'll try again. Would one of you please give your OWN specific, non-googled examples of programmes exhibiting rabid left wing bias, on a par with Beck or Hannity on Fox News? A media-studies dissection of the Trotskyist agenda of Top Gear, for example, or the communist signifiers of herds of animals in Human Planet.

I agree. It's turned out brilliantly for you and for us. now back to the thread...

They're not as disconnected as all that. The 'social' bias of the BBC is arguably towards the middle class. The shame is that we're not getting a reasoned discussion about bias because of the poorly argued rage of those with too much foam in their mouths. There IS an argument to be had - but we're still on the nursery slopes unfortunately.

That's what I mean! You are a role model for all of us. Tell us more about how you're a walking, talking advert for private education.

Absolutely right hypo. You wouldn't be who you are without it. You should post your GCSE results on here as a lesson to all of us.

Concentrate! I mean, really think hard!