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Yeah, he's good and the band is usually superb - he really knows how to put bands together. I just wish he hadn't lost a certain amount of that fire in his playing - it's all beautifully, technically right, in a slightly enervating way. I don't want to sound critical - I think he's one of the greats. But there's no law that says you have to lose your edge - as Jeff Beck has proved time and again.

Over to me for what, you racist creep? I loathe the Islamic fundamentalist grouping in the UK and have had rather more contact with them than you. I've been threatened by them, my wife has been attacked by them, my son is pestered by them constantly at his university. You'd better ask the UAF about why they'd tolerate a cretin like Choudary - I don't feel the need to justify something I abhor. You, on the other hand, the pretend 'moderate', are perfectly happy to see Asian shopkeepers and women abused, beaten, and their property damaged, so that you can show your 'frustration'. Happy with that, are you? Over to you, racist piece of ****.

I'm not going to defend Choudhary - who the **** would. He's an even worse piece of **** than you. But unlike you I don't think it's worth beating Asian shopkeepers and women to pulp to make my point. (Of course that's what you'd LIKE to do by falling in with the EDL. But you're all talk. At least that's something)

Well said.

Utter, utter crap - and either you know the reality and are being a manipulative little creep (or trying to be) or you're just another racist thug who isn't worth a damn.

So your whole point in starting this thread is to say there are good neo-Nazis and bad ones, and we should recognise which is which. Utter crap. The minute the EDL sets foot in public it is looking for a fight. And the people they want to fight are invariably Asian shopkeepers and young Asian women. If someone decided to come down your street and terrorise you and everyone in it, just so that could express their 'frustrations' would you find that acceptable? As I say, you are a worthless piece of ****.

Just so you know, you piece of ****, the NF's calling card was to visit on Asian and black people a level of violence you'd only see in your worst nightmares. Don't you ****ing DARE tell me the NF was about 'genuine concerns'. Go **** yourself.

But I know where solentstars is coming from. This stuff has a long, deeply sordid history.

To their credit, the Daily Mail has always had a pretty clear-headed attitude to the EDL. They are, as the article says, every bit the mindless racist imbeciles that dune would have the more gullible believe otherwise. Either dune is a fully-paid up racist or is naive in the foolish extreme to call this gang of vicious little creeps 'moderate'.

No, he rarely plays acoustic on stage these days. Spends much more time than ever revisiting his Cream/early solo stuff.

What? That you're Nick Griffin's fluffer?

How a twisted racist like you can wrap yourself in the flag is beyond me.

What ARE you talking about? None of your three sentences connects to the other. Really - I've tried to make sense of it but have given up.

So your ignorant name-calling doesn't count as abuse? Who, then, are all these 'facsists', 'Nazis', Big Brothers? Coming onto a thread advertising neo-Nazis, and calling me and others by such names is, as I say, not merely beyond debate; it's beyond contempt.

If you could only bring yourself to read to the end of a two-line post you wouldn't have found the need to respond. I guess you enjoy the EDL's 'banter' though, and hilariously view anyone who objects to such violent behaviour 'a fascist'. You are beyond debate because of your hysterical reach for the 'Nazi' button every time someone says something that actually makes you think about the consequences of your own actions and words.

Baj, posting the 'constitution' of a violent racist organisation is tantamount to false advertising. Opinion is one thing; this kind of gross and deliberate distortion is not. I would ask that you remove it - especially since the EDL is a known recruiter among Saints fans, and since one of its organisers was unmasked on here for doing a similar thing.

I realise you've not been entirely serious. So I shall amuse myself by calling you Depot from now on. I hope it hurts.

Free speech is one thing. Being allowed to post on here the constitution of a racist and violent organisation, some of whose leading members have been jailed for said offences, is entirely another.

Not really. M3, M25 then A40 is best. Both the latter can get very busy, but so can the rat run alternatives. Travel for night shifts will be a lot easier.

JPS Lotus circa 1972?

What amazes me is the unadulterated narcissism in all this. Your hysterical (and hysterically funny) screams about 'Nazism' and 'witchhunts' are nothing more than a pathetic whinge from someone who wants to live like a giant baby - someone who HATES to have his (or Gray's) language and views judged in any other way than benign, no matter how intimidating, or threatening, or bullying, they may appear, or actually are, to the people at whom they're directed. Your self-regard - that nothing you (or Gray) can say can possibly be wrong so long as you self-define it as 'banter' - is so overwhelming that you've lost all sight of all sensible argument, and resort to ludicrous comparisons with the Pogroms and the Gulag. Yes, Sergei, you're right: Sky are mass murderers on a par with Mao, Stalin and Hitler for sacking someone who can't BEAR the idea of a woman anywhere near football. And as for that Wendy Toms - I bet she would volunteer to be the camp commandant who'd personally supervise your slow starvation to death, along with the other millions of your fellow banterers. Grow the **** up.

Sexism is no better than racism. When it is let loose in the workplace, or anywhere else for that matter, it discriminates as surely as racism. Football is notoriously sexist. In the 1920s, the FA used to expel ANY club affiliated to it that allowed women to participate, whether in the running of the club or - heaven forbid - playing for it. Gray's boorish comments might strike you as funny - 'banter', in that utterly stupid phrase that is supposed to neutralise the offence. But there was nothing remotely funny about what Gray said. It demonstrated (and was intended to) his loathing of women - merely BECAUSE they are women - making decisions of any kind in football. He is the 1920s FA personified. Your bleating about '1984' are merely a feeble attempt by you to reserve to yourself the right to be abusive towards women whenever YOU see fit. Dress it up as 'banter' if you like. But it's a truly loathsome attitude. There's nothing Big Brother about it. You abuse, humiliate, bully your workmates, you're breaking the law and you are almost ALWAYS in breach of contract. So please, get it into your head: mutual respect for your work colleagues is not some alien, authoritarian evil; it is simply a reasonable way to behave. Gray deserved what he got, and in my view got off remarkably lightly. In any case, do we really need to be offering contracts of £1.7m a year for such crass, peevish neanderthals? He should take his huge pile of money and go hang his head in shame.

There goes the neighbourhood.

The question: 'Are women linos a good thing?' is preposterous. It only makes any sense if you assume an inability by gender to run the line...and that is clearly nonsense. It is, in other words, nastily misogynistic. But clearly acceptable to you.

Foreign Office advice is no. Airports in chaos. I'd go. It'll be tourist-free. Actually it may be the safest time. Terrorists probably won't want any outrages against foreigners while the focus is on removing the government. An attack would severely divide the opposition.