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I'm sure it hasn't/won't in many cases - I'm just making the case that it *can*.

I would say it's the other way around - having a logical thought process leads to making better decisions. You can't guarantee that you'll always make the right decision. And it can be coached, just as you can teach drivers to make better decisions when driving by knowing what to look for and how to assess it better.

Well no, I wasn't being literal (and there was more on the programme than just that btw) - but then you and Charlie and whoever else can debate these things til you're blue in the face but the figures I quoted will only continue to go up. There seems to be little or no real acknowledgement of the humanitarian crisis from either side, and that is more important than anything else they (or you) wish to debate. As the earlier Huffington Post piece discussed, many have lost sight of the underlying human losses, in favour of trying to argue one side or the other. It's just wrong. So my point was more that the show distilled things down a bit and focused on the crux of the matter. Debating these things to the nth degree just seems to divert attention from the single most important thing needed - stopping the killing.

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1700+ deaths. Nearly 10,000 injured. So far... I started this thread trying to highlight some of the efforts that have been made to find positive ways forward - it was inevitable that the thread would find its way to some serious discussion and perhaps disagreement along the way, but personally I think that the more people get into the details, the less we remember things like those figures above... and that's ultimately what matters. Strangely enough I thought The Last Leg on Friday night had some of the best takes on things, including Adam Hills' rant... it may have seemed to be a frivolous comment on something so serious, but it cut to the heart of the matter IMO. Not sure if anyone saw it.

Wurzel, quit with the common sense, it's not welcome here.

Although that may not be a real account... sorry...

Have I missed this? Thought someone would've posted by now...

Agreed completely - sadly I can't that happening.

I'm not sure there's any apologism in that article to be honest - it's not trying to justify or excuse any behaviour, or 'balance the harm done' whatsoever, just highlight the fact that the continual 'taking of sides' certainly isn't helping anyone.

We're simply saying that there have been good players to come from that league... not disagreeing about the league as a whole.

Imagine if someone else had posted something like this - MLG would be in their face straight away pointing out exactly what we've just pointed out to him. Come on MLG, front up... you ****ed your pants over something that was actually a compliment/joke.

Not least our very own Lundekvam and Ostenstad, and Tore Andre Flo who we nearly got at the same time as the other two.

How's the training been going? Got a specific time in mind, or are you not worried about time?

Agreed, but I think it's an important thought and one that needs to be given a bit more publicity to quell some of the more extreme opinions. Identifying a solution needs people on both 'sides' to stop looking on it as something to be 'won'... so if this kind of thinking can pervade into more peoples consciousness then I think it can help.

Was that a rare showing of emotion from MLG there? (And yes, I realise the irony of me saying that...)

If you read the fuller quotes he is actually simply being very complimentary about our Academy and the quality of players we produce.

Try harder MLG, it's not that difficult My thoughts on the tweet: Meh. Maybe. Unlikely. Whatever. My thoughts on the photo:

Another excellent article: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/hilary-stauffer/gaza-palestine-israel_b_5625088.html

My auto-renewal is still on 'yes'. As I say, I've asked the club on twitter so I would hope they'll reply at some point.

Have been wondering similar recently, so have just tweeted the club to ask.

This absolutely. And you know what you're talking about more than most.

Fair point, but I was still interested to know if we were playing a pressing game, if so was it quite high still, in a similar vein to last season, or not?

I've only just read the full article and to be honest, there's not a lot there that bothers me that much. Most of it is clearly his interpretation of information given to him by one or several third parties, but all of which sounds like it has come from a specific viewpoint. In other words this is just one side of a coin and the more we react to it or profess it to be ********, the more credence it gives it. There may well be some truth in a lot of it, but things are never as straightforward as they're made out to be. Just move on.

How old is Pochettino's nipper...?