whelk

When ‘we’ I mean the west. I have no idea for how long but again we should have faith that it was possible to manage withdrawal better and not say oh well your own army were shit so what could we do. British press doesn’t seem to be as supportive as Saintsweb for the strategy.

Of course they do. But the world is complex and without going on ad nauseam we created situation so have to take responsibility.

See the picture above on the plane. Loads of blokes dressed up as women. US intelligence knew the army wouldn’t hold. Biden trying to put it on them clearly works on many. As for your what about other countries - we all know we can’t solve all the problems but we went in there and was general support for that. So we have made that situation and left them not with just a non democratic leader but at hands of a religious death cult. Any point bothering with any Western support to Haitians suffering from their earth quake?

Let’s be clear you take Taliban control as a sign it is what the Afghani population wants. Seriously do you ever read round subjects? Incredible on so many subjects you miss so much

The lucky ones

It sums up the lack of empathy. Some get it some don’t. Some are very smart and explain Afghanistan is complicated. Who knew? Personally I agree with him and it is shameful regardless of what Weston comes back with from Wikipedia. And the BS numbers that get bandied around from people with likely very little understanding of macro economics.

I will need Weston’s guidance on helping me define ‘suddenly’

I always knew you and Fry were the same person😀

Oh yes it is

Very good

Not going to happen. UN have asked the Taliban to have an inclusive government.

Did they bum first then get wasted or get wasted and then do the bumming?

No US military casualties since Feb 2020. BIden didn’t need to either get out or ramp up.

Spot on.

They may not have heads of course

I get your point but Saddam wasn’t harmless to West. Like many despots he pushed his luck by invading Kuwait. We fucked over the Kurds then similar to what is going on in Afghanistan.

Air support is key. Taliban marched unimpeded and has lead to mass panic in Kabul. It was our moral obligation to look after the people better and if that means looking after thousands than so be it. Our sense of fair play is what sets our values and allows us (to some degree) to intervene, hopefully that we want to give countries a stable democracy. We can all be cynical and know that is not always the aim but West had values. No country should trust us anymore though. agree:

You don’t think the US could have imagined? Really? Saw exactly the same situation in Iraq and naive in extreme if you thought the US thought they would stand firm against the Taliban - on a hiding to nothing. What do you think they do in the Pentagon? And as for questioning will and courage - so that’s it is it, it’s their fault - didn’t show the British spirit in adversity?

Did you consider the Weston factor?

That is the issue. Pause a terrorist breeding ground for 20 years. Encourage them to embrace western values and then when they have done that fuck off and leave them at the mercy of butchers who abhor and want to violently punish anyone with those values. They are already marking houses, meanwhile civilians have all ditched their jeans and t shirts and trying to rapidly grow a beard. Of course no simple solution but feels could have been massively better than what is unfolding.

1-1 for a while then we collapse and lose 3-1 or 4-1

Surely there should be a thread where mods list all the banned posters so we can see their hideous crimes and heed the warnings and correct any of our own errant behaviour? As well as a moderation exercise to keep the mods in check. As it’s stands they just go missing, taken away in the night. Fucking ridiculous if SKD has been banned.

Asylum to anyone at risk? That is millions. Still this story will go away soon and no one will give a shit about their plight esp Americans. Back to bemoaning about the Stamp Duty break going and roaming charges in Europe.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/2/afghanistan-ghani-blames-abrupt-us-exit-for-worsening-security in the headline sweetpea Your posts speak for yourself pal.