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Yeah, this post strikes a chord with me.

Umittigated cr*p. Over 30m spent, and still cant defend for toffee or hit a cows arse with a banjo. Far too many players underperforming, and Ramirez is just a joke.

Aw, who f**king cares anymore ? Flirting with the Frogs the way they are just goes to show what a bunch of fair-weather exploitative selfish tarts the Americans are. Kerry called the Falklands "The Malvinas" a couple of months ago and refused to recognise the referendum result, and he didnt give a flying f**k about the offence he caused over here. Further back than that, when Guatemala were threatening British Honduras in 1972 the US let them get on with it. Also the US legal system are bleeding BP dry into bankruptcy whilst they let off Exxon for the Valdez leak, and Obama sits there an does nothing. The relationship is a one-way street - when it suits them. F**k 'em. We need decide if we are going to act like a nation our size, or to continue punching above our weight in which case we should look for other alliances, like our Commonwealth friends who we have systematically neglected for the best part of the last 40 years due to EU obligations.

This. Funny how such a bit player in our clubs history scored two of the most important goals.

If he is not in the 18, I wouldnt blame him either.

This. I wonder if we really have such deep pockets, or if really its going to be "one in, one out". If thats the case, we can forget squad depth and seriously cracking on to win anything.

I dont have the faintest idea of what you are on about, apart from the fact you've taken the opportunity to belittle my opinion again. And you'll have to tell the dates and locations of your fact-finding mission to Syria.... Anyway, back to the latest. I usually despise her every written word, and think all sense of balance is the first thing out of the window when she sits down at her laptop, but Polly Toynbee has written a thought-provoking article for the Graun overnight. She is basically inferring last nights Parliament vote and Government back-down is a massive watershed and essentially the final nail in the Empire's coffin. I have to say looking from afar, it does seem like that. for the first time since Vietnam, where arguably we had no history or interests whatsoever, we have taken a different course from the US. We have decided we are no longer one of the worlds policemen. It feels like a major cathartic moment, and I think it leaves the issue of British self-identity in crisis. I for one do not like the impression of the nation that is left behind; broke, decadent, nepotistic, class-driven, work-shy, incompetent, inwards-turning, uncertain of place in world.

FWIW, the first part of that speech is very moving, but when he really gets going it rapidly becomes OTT and repetitive, imo.

Weller is completely overrated. Its all cliched, derivative, and quite frankly, boring, from a person who has tried to reinvent himself as often as David Bowie but in a shorter timeframe. Has everybody forgotten The Style Council and his multiple (failed) attempts to re-write Harvest For The World ? Agree with Hamilton, plenty of other songwriters around with more to say and more eloquent prose.

I'm OK with how Milliband has responded, I think. However, I am getting more and more p*ssed off with Cameron searching for his Falklands at the same time as he is cutting the legs off the Armed Forces.

I think he is talking b*ll*cks, and I have told him clearly and succinctly. Nothing childish about that. Unlike trying to twist a statement about the dangers of doing nothing in to a clamour for mass bombardment.....

You're talking b*ll*cks, and you know it.

My wifes are getting worse with age and with each kid. I am starting to feel the need to hide, sometimes.

This is why : 1. You get asked "did you pack your bags yourself, are you carrying anything for someone else ?" 2. you should never let your bags out-of-sight.

Wow, this discussion has descended into childishness. And I get accused of hyperbole... Nope, not a war crime. Targeted insurgents. The war criminals are the insurgents who hid in civilian areas. And yes, there is a difference between WMD and other weapons. Its an issue of scale; one is a genocidal weapon, the other not. Everything is made of chemicals, luvvie, even good 'ole TNT. If the US had used Sarin in Fallujah, you might have a point. And, to say I am defending the US at all costs is the height of childishness. They were w*nkers over the premise going into Iraq and Vietnam (but not Afghanistan or Kuwait), and I dont always approve of their methods, AND I think they are being too hasty here. They need to wait for the UN report and firm up their evidence of which side did it first. If Russia then drags its feet at the UN again, I would then support unilateral unauthorised US action. Barely deserves a response. I said "nothing" not "not fire 100 Tomahawks at Syria". Diplomacy needs to get its serious head on, and if Assad thinks he doesnt need to take it seriously because he has some sort of shield from Russia, then Russia needs to be convinced. If they wont play ball, there might be nothing else left. Should we allow more chemical attacks, more rows of dead children ?

Sorry, still having trouble believeing this. I know the CPS clearly think they have the evidence on him (they'd better have; mud like this sticks forever, especially if it is dropped or acquitted due to "lack of evidence"), but its simply too painful for me to countenance that the singer of "Two Little Boys", which I have sung all four of my babies to sleep to, is a kiddie fiddler.

What is this, a Crown Court trial ? Of course I condem the use of chemical weapons against the population. But Fallujah was against insurgents holed up in buildings. And again (since you missed it) Sarin is a WMD, Willie Pete is not.

My "clamour for immediate action" ? WTF are you talking about. I havent clamoured for anything. I am not convinced by it, and the least I would do is wait for the UN monitor report in order to reduce the diplomatic collateral damage. So now you are making things up. Your desperate attempt to blame the rebels, in order to illegitimise any action by the US, when there is not a shred of evidence to support it except a tenous "sense" argument that you can be sure Assad gets too, is really quite pitiful. And sorry, I personally see a massive difference between Willie Pete and Sarin. Willie Pete may be chemical, but its not a WMD. Your argument would have carried more weight if you had referred to Agent Orange, but then again that was 40 years ago so wouldnt have carried as much gravitas, would it ?

Never knew he could talk. Never said a word in all his films.

Of course you would, Seumas. Its the US in the dock in that case. And your knee-jerk dismissal of potential evidence just because it is sourced from Israel (who have unquestionably more intelligence resources on the ground in that region) just says it all.

So, why is it too late for them to start something similar ? Yes, it will take years to bear fruit, but they shouldnt bleat about water under the bridge, they should simply crack on and start their own initiative.

FFS, do you work for Pravda ??? I can almost hear the erection....

I've read your last few posts on this thread and have concluded that you are a paid up member of the "Seumas Milne, cherry-pick evidence, make up convoluted theories, so long as its always the fault of the US and its acolytes, chiefly the UK" club. You are such an apologist its nauseating. I get the impression, and commentators this morning in the papers, including those anti-military strikes, are expressing their beliefs that the government side DID make these attacks. There also seems to be some evidence floating about, as Verbal has indicated, but just because no-one takes the time to sit down and explain it to you in words of one syllable, does not mean it doesnt exist. You wouldnt believe it anyway. And I wouldnt want the lives of operatives or methods of gathering intelligence compromised anyway, in case something much, much bigger was missed in the future. Its about time some of you "Stop the War" people grew up and separated "war fatigue" from cases where real action is required. The world cannot stand by and do nothing in the face of illegal and horrendously destructive chemical warfare I suggest some of you read up on how it is to suffer and die at the hands of Sarin, and have a look at the rows of dead Syrian kids. I dont know if a punishment surgical strike is going to help or make matters worse, but doing nothing is not an option. I also wish some other nations would lead the way for once, and think the Russians should be deeply ashamed of their stance.