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Almost all of them will be Brits who have been traveling abroad before all this kicked off and need to get home. Many of them have probably been through hell - quarantined, embassies closed off, curfews, running out of food, clothes and money etc. There will also be those who genuinely do need to travel and there reason for doing so will outweigh the risk of infection. It’s not as if we have planes full of Spaniards coming here for a weekend in Margate.

Everywhere has the disease to some extent but we should still be trying to contain the spread as much as we can. As an extreme example, would you want a plane with 300 people to land at SOU this afternoon and have all the passengers spread out through the city?

Because they’ve come into contact, either directly or indirectly, with someone who had the virus. The more people travel around, the more easily it’s spread. Some travel and contact is unavoidable, travelling from Middlesex to the Lakes is completely unnecessary. If they lived in Lewisham or Croydon and they’d driven down the A3 to Ockham common for a walk, I could tolerate that. There’s no need to stop at any services, use any shops, you’re staying roughly in the same area and just trying to get some basic exercise. What this family did goes way beyond that an is completely unnecessary. If you don’t put a stop to this sort of thing, everywhere becomes an inner city ‘hotspot’.

So how have 135,000 people ended up in a wooden box?

What I am saying is that there is no modern version which is different to Christianity in the 15th Century. It’s still the same book, there has been no new research or an up to date version published after Jesus’ visit to Memphis in 1993. It still says the exact same nutty stuff in the Bible. People just choose the bits which fit with their lives, as they always have done. I could quite easily read the bible a few times and find some obscure passages which say I should only eat beef on a Tuesday and wear an orange hat at all times and call that Christianity because it suits me.

There is no 'Christianity today'. All there is is a 2000 year old story book and a whole bunch of interpretations of what it should mean, which people generally fudge to fit around their lifestyles. They basically say whatever it takes to keep the general public vaguely engaged because if they stuck to their original script they'd be obsolete and laughed out of town.

Yes, it's been covered already in the last few pages why. Shopping is essential, exercise is certainly recommended, they are both different to making a purely recreational trip hundreds of miles.

What punishment would fit deliberately putting lives in danger?

So another club falls into the clutches of a foreign, despot regimes investment fund. We must be up to about 12 clubs now who reckon they’re going to spend their way into 4 Champions League places. Give it a couple of years, the Geordies will have spent £300m and still be about 13th.

Should be about a small Estonian community which is one of the densest Covid19 hotspots in the world, after a visit from an Italian volleyball team a couple of months ago.

If anyone still needs convincing what a small group of people traveling around from an infection hotspot can do... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/embed/p089krkz/52299358

Do you think we should send married gays to drought hit South Sudan?

I think you're getting confused with Kevin Costner's Waterworld.

I've got a friend who works at SOU, says they've got two flights per day. One Guernsey, one Jersey.

A lot of it will be cargo, plus a lot of people slowly being repatriated. There will be very few passengers on those flights.

Cool, so I can completely ignore all public health instructions, hop in my car and drive down to Cornwall. There’s no reason not to, worst case scenario the Police will stop me and tell me to go home, so I’ve got nothing to lose by trying.

Persecution implies punishment to people who have committed no wrong doing, which these people clearly had. It's a punishment, it's supposed to be a deterrent and not very nice, otherwise everyone can just do what they want and the Police will just say, "oh please don't do that." Again, your argument seems to revolve around there being other, worse things happening, which is never a defence for anything.

I’m just having a cuppa in between scarifying my lawn.

As I said to Whelk, if they transmit the virus to 6 people on their trip, who then pass it on to another 10 etc. And suddenly you’ve got 50 infections and 3 deaths, is a small fine still OTT? If you ignore all instructions and three people end up dead for the sake of your long weekend in the Lakes? It sounds dramatic but that’s what’s happening. How do you know that?

Cardiff at home last year stocks in my mind. Was absolutely no threat to one of the worst defences in the league, every time Sol Bamba brushed against him he threw himself to the floor and started waving his arms at the ref. We had some pretty forgettable ‘performances’ from the likes of DMG, Pekhart and Robertson in the Championship too.

There are those who believe that the entire universe was predetermined and that even events which seemed like a free choice or even completely random, have been guaranteed since the big bag. So there.

Yes, you’re right on the first point, what I’m trying to get at is simply that the more people travel, the more likely you are to spread it. There are two aspects to that. Firstly that the virus may well mutate regionally, leading to reinfections as it is spread around the country. Secondly, if we keep things tight, some communities will get off relatively lightly. Supposing we compared the Lake District to Iceland. The virus is there but by limiting the people coming in and out, we could manage to keep case in that region down. Long term, if we can get it under control, it’s going to be a lot easier to manage regional outbreaks than a national epidemic. Aside from spreading the virus around half a dozen service stations, any unnecessary movement risks spreading the disease.

Because the further and more frequent people travel, the quicker the disease already. Supposing Britain was C19 free right now and patient zero landed with the virus in Heathrow. If everyone stuck to the rules, it would spread slowly to airport workers who live in Hounslow and Slough, then around the local shops etc. And we would be able to monitor and contain it relatively effectively. If everyone did what they want their in 24 hours it would be in cars going to Derby, Cornwall, Pembrokeshire, Bromley, Lincoln etc. The only way out of this is through robust personal hygiene, limiting movement and social gatherings, then test, test and test some more.

I’m not saying you should be charged as such as it is completely unprovable who transmitted what to who, when and where etc. I’m sure nobody means to kill people, hence the ‘wilful negligence’ but that’s basically what it comes down to. There are people in this country who’ve died because of a handshake in a pub or a lorry driver stopping for a p*ss.