Saint86

Thought I'd try to put this into an office setting - He's got a team working on a project. When it goes well, as PM he's up there taking all the credit whilst his team have put in the hard work and grind to deliver... The second things then go badly, he's essentially announced to the entire company (or in this case the country) that what's gone wrong is the workers under him are shit and have done a bad job (Newcastle post match), rather than aknowledge that they were following his instructions and working practices, so if the team can't do it they weren't well enough prepared... Following that, in the background, some of his team have had internal discussions and quiet words with him, raised concerns, asked to try things a bit differently, possibly even commented on his man management style (according to some rumours) etc. Jones's response was then to effectivley kick them off the project (dump them in the reserves for a week or so), and then tell his bosses and the wider company (and anyone who will listen - I.e. The media in this instance), that he's a great mananger, that his staff aren't performing, and that some of them have been kicked off the project (without naming names but via insinuation - knowing full well its easy to see who he means). - the brentford post match. Its not great is it? Working for him you don't know if you're going to get blamed/shamed/punished following a bad result. Although I aknowledge that the dynamic is different at a football club with the aspects of player power. We can only really know what he says to us through his interviews and press conferences, those are his chance to speak to the fans. But by all accounts, my takeaway since the start is that he has a huge chip on his shoulder about his experience levels ("with the greatest respect" at Luton i was manager of the year, blah blah blah"), and he comes accross as the absolute worse kind of people manager - re what is effectivley a blame and bullying culture following bad results. Now maybe I'm doing him wrong by progressively developing that impression, but its where I am at with him now - and the rumour mill is equally circulating similar. Regardless, if he isn't going, hopefully he turns it around. And we'll see how it all turns out whether he's lost some or all of the dressing room, or whether he really was having a bash at SR...

He was happy taking the plaudits then, but now he's losing its the players' fault and he's spent 2 post match presser very publically throwing them under the bus... Can you imagine the dressing room atmosphere 😢

Yes I agree it will be interesting. Ultimatley we can all just speculate. The guy has a chip on his shoulder about his ability / experience, and has never once owned being a Premier league mananger. It's not surprising if he has rubbed up players and other coaches the wrong way! And I said all of this not even being aware he'd had a falling out will selles at Newcastle 😅😂

He spent Newcastle post match blaming the players for his errors in selection and tactics. He spent the brentford one saying it was his fault... And then spent the next few minutes saying what a wonderful manager he is and sagging off the performance from the players, says players win matches, not systems... Then says he's basically catered to the players rather than his system (but it's all his fault not the players 🙄). Add to that that on the back of dropping orsic DCC and mara to the reserves he's made his comments about not accommodating certain things etc anymore (and bearing in mind they've all been playing recently every 3-4 days so benching would have been fine). Plus you had ITKs and rumours coming out Immediatley after the Newcastle game to say the dressing room was unhappy about the selection and post match comments... And low and behold, players dropped to the reserve squad. Something had happened. Takes a very blind leap of faith to assume the dressing room is fine and it's SR he's falling out with!

It was clear he was speaking about players to me. That wasn't a veiled dig at SR.

A mirror of 2004/05 basically.

Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that they sacked Ralph and hired this guy. In effect relegating us.

Watching that he seems like he's losing it. Doubting himself, listening to fan criticism, taking all that and the pressure too much to heart. How can he seriously manage when he can't control his own headspace and emotions. He's just gone on national tv and said a load of emotional untempered comments (some of which read like threats to the players / criticisms of player behaviour behind the scenes), with seemingly no thought for man management of player confidence. Even if its only for his own mental well being, surely time for him to be gone?

What the fuck is he even on about jeeze.

The squad is an utter mess now anyway thanks to SR's scatter gun recruitment, hard to see what kind of manager it would suit. We've gone from hard working pressing focussed players, to promising young technical but inexperienced kids, to Onochua (who can't run, control the ball, or last 60min in the Juniper pro league)... Actually horrific what SR have done to the club. The scouting setup has been dismantled, they've got no interest in the academy, and they have tied a financial ball and chain around our the club that may drag us to the abyss if it all really goes tits up. Hard for it to be worse tbh.

Will be one of the worst decisions made by the club in modern history.

Yes, they run him close. But I don't think any of them really had the combination of backing / time that he's had. And none of them made such horrific selections. He's playing his first signing (and double world cup semi finalist) in the reserves ffs.

This is nonsense and actually quite offensive to a great many people I'd have thought. Little different to coming on here and typing out low level racial abuse.

Not saying much. I'm struggling to think of a worse manager in my saints supporting life.

Every fan going to the forum has absolutely no excuse not to make it abundantly clear where fan sentiment lies on this clown of a manager. It is the only message that needs to be conveyed. The fanbase will be watching online.

FIRST ROW Sports working fine 😊

Yes. But he's going to be one of the very first ones out of the door thanks to SR's incompetance.

Walcot our best attacker so far in this game.

Every other team's managers are able to points and wins in the league. Jones can't. Its not like its a small elephant in the room or anything ffs.

He has no clue what he's doing.

He's better than at least 3 of our starting players🤣

No, will only make me angrier. He's taking us down, and our owners are in the process of saddling us with debt and dismantling our scouting and academy setup.

Time for a new poll on this clown. Surely must be almost unanimous now by now. Even if tactically he was okay, he sabotages any hope by picking the most nonsense lineups i've ever seen at saints.

It is unforgiveable that he keeps picking these starting line ups.