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But then how can he keep moving the goalposts?

Yep, I can read. Still doesn't say anywhere trophies are the only factor though does it?

Right, at no point in that post do I say trophies are the only indicator of how big a club is. I used it as an example, amongst other points. Hardly a resounding endorsement of your point. Are you struggling to understand that making one point, doesn't mean it's the entirety of an argument? Shall I draw you a picture?

Show me a post where anyone said that trophies and trophies alone are the be all and end all. Also, the example given on trophies was Chelsea, who won that tin pot Champions League, when? Last year?

It has been made, and it's a fair point. Someone, no prizes for guessing who can't get his head around this. As again, it requires just a touch of thorough, and sensible thinking.

see post #127

So we only look at trophies, but also look at Stadiums. Yet again Barry, you make no sense. Funny that.

Exactly. There must have been, 8ish English finalists since 2005? Can any other nation match that?

I thought we only looked at trophy cabinets Mr. Consistent?

Recent history has no impact on how big your club is. FACT.

But, but, Spurs.....Huge! City....something Are we going to buy players from Top 7 clubs.... CORTESE IS EVIL!!!

...The part of London where they are both based. I also work in Central London, and generally move around London a lot. Probably more, than a guy that lives in Liverpool, understandably. And I certainly meet, see and generally come across more Arsenal fans than Spurs. By quite some distance. Seeing as you have ignored my question (again ), what is this based on? Actual figures, or you just making it up? My word, I can't believe anyone is this stupid, suggesting you are just stubborn beyond recognition or just clutching at your final straw with unfeasibly white knuckles. I started by making the point about Chelsea's honours in the Spurs case, as one example, and it is relevant as it is recent. AT NO POINT did I say this is the only reason why Spurs are not the biggest club in London. You then keep harking on about their history, and how they won a second tier competition way before most of us were born. And then claim everyone else has the flawed argument. Just because you keep saying the same thing over and over, doesn't mean you are right. Your attempts at constructing an argument even remotely intelligent is once again shown up Bazza. Stick to what you know mate, CORTESE IS EVIL!! I HATE CORTESE!! I COULD RUN A CLUB BETTER THAN HIM!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21780628 Christ! Looks like Wenger would have some pals if he was on here. First time this has failed to happen in not far off 20 years!! Talk about a knee-jerk. English clubs have dominated over the past decade, much to the annoyance of Blatter & Platini. One poor season hardly makes it the end of the world!

What is based on? As I am certainly sceptical about this. There certainly aren't more Spurs fans in London than Arsenal. Having spent the majority of my life living in North London, I can assure you of that. I wonder if Spurs could sell out a 60k seater stadium week-in week-out? Who has said football started in 1992?

YET AGAIN Barry, how many times need I remind you Tajjuks post listing all the other reasons Arsenal are bigger than Spurs. Which you keep ignoring. I made the point about Chelsea's honours in relation to Spurs, once you had jumped from City to Spurs. Something you seem to do a fair bit when you're usually pretty thin arguments start to unravel. It is hilarious that you claim Spurs are bigger than Arsenal & Chelsea because they won the UEFA Cup before any of us were alive.

Neither of us at any point said this. If you want to put words in our mouths as you cannot actually comprehend what we said, then go ahead.

As I said, joined up thinking. Clear who isn't able to do this, isn't it. How many times he needs telling 'THIS IS A PART OF IT', is completely beyond me.

So you are just ignoring all the other things that Tajjuk listed and I am too lazy to re-list showing how Spurs aren't bigger than Arsenal? Funny that.

I'll be over there too. I gots your back Papster.

Right, says the one claiming honours don't play a part, then quoting historical honours as an indicator. Top effort.

What impact does that have now though? That's like saying Preston are huge because they were the first club to do a league and cup double.

Awww, is someone struggling to keep up. I gave examples of clubs winning things in the pretty recent past. Which does elevate their footballing standing. You then start talking about what clubs did 50 odd years ago. I agree other factors have a role to play also, but all these other factors suggest you are wrong. Such as the Spurs example, just look at Tajjuk's post. What else do you need to be proved wrong?

I never said that's ALL that matters, but it certainly plays a part. Especially when you are talking about clubs that are often found near the top end of the tree battling for honours. This isn't the case for teams such as Saints or Portsmouth. So a lot of the other factors become a lot more relevant. It's not about having it both ways Bazza, it's about joined up thinking. I know that is something you struggle with, in a world where everything is black or white, the colour grey must be ever so scary. Also, what is this Spurs being 'European Pioneers' rubbish? They have never even been runners up in the European Cup/Champions League, let alone won the thing.

Nottingham Forest won consecutive European Cups. Nevermind it was over 30 years ago. They are still amongst the biggest clubs in England, and Europe. Even though they haven't been in the top flight for nearly 15 years.

Ha, shall I dig up every question I have asked you and you ignored? And I actually did answer. Perhaps you didn't understand. What I said was, winning one cup doesn't make you a big team, it's doing it consistently that does. This is when I gave the example of Euro 2004, which Greece won. Germany haven't won an international tournament since '96? Does that make them a bigger footballing nation? No, of course not. Because Germany have won lots over a sustained period. Like Chelsea and Arsenal, which is why they are bigger than Spurs. Neither us or pompey have won a lot. So you need to start comparing other things too. Such as historical standings, which for the most part has seen us above them (probably for the foreseeable future too), a larger fan base, better facilities, a top notch academy, Premier League status and a bigger Stadium. So no, they aren't bigger than us.