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Hi Lighthouse, I always like your posts, so I'm replying now (rather than ini the morning), even though I probably shouldn't as I am slightly sloshed. First off, to clarify, I don't have an issue with porn. I think everyone has a natural curiosity about sex, and seeking out porn (in its most innocent state) a fairly harmless way to serve that curiosity. This debate isn't about porn, it's about providing men with masturbation fodder in a mainstream media outlet. I'm not sure how I can equate Middle Eastern behaviour with this debate at all. I've thought about your argument for all of 90 seconds, but I just can't see how it's relavant (but that could be because I'm slightly blotto). But the bit I'm really struggling with is why all the girls on this forum would want to say "would you like me to post a picture of my boobs". I don't know for sure whether the men would say phwoooar or not (more likely on The Muppet Show, although to be honest, I suspect most of that's probably male bravado) but I'm not sure what the girls would get out of it in the first place. But back to your central point, read @everydaysexism and what you'll learn is that while you and your friends may be an enlightened group of modern men, there are still enough unlightened men to have a negative impact on women's lives, every day. And by giving men, in a mainstream media outlet, images for them to **** over, it gives men permission to think their sexist behaviour is OK. Not all men, not the smart ones, but then, not everyone is smart are they. I mean, Christ, if I was a man, I'd be bloody confused too. And when a large amount of the population are saying something is making them feel uncomfortable, you can either listen to their perspectivel or you can quote examples from other countries to 'prove' them wrong. Hope this makes sense and I've not done too many typos!

Even better - thank you!! I didn't think you could access this outside Hampshire. Ah...the calming sound of Ronald C'mon Saints!

Thanks Art, forgot London local radio would be covering it too, although the bias is going to be annoying!

So do we expect Ward Prowse or Davis to be playing alongside Cork?

If he reads that lukewarm statement, and as a result doesn't sign the contract - I'm blaming you!

It's harmless on an individual level. But when you hake a step back and look at its impact on a societal level, then suddenly it's not so harmless.

Massive double standards. This is so messed up on so many levels, and I think it will take longer than my generation to resolve it. But the fact that through the internet, many men and women recognise the ridiculousness of this, gives me a lot of hope. First step is identifying the problem.

Oh I know - and I've experienced plenty of that. But I'm in England, and I love our country, so I'm telling my experience here. And from that, I think Page 3 in the Sun is destructive in many more ways than seems on the surface.

Oh come on guys, this is a serious topic - at least give it some thought!

I don't disagree, my brother was talking about this the other day. It's just that, I don't think the current mentality helps anyone - men or women. Women start behaving more defensively, men find it harder to approach women. I responded to Goatboys post about boobs, not because I wanted this to descent into TMS style banter, but because I slightly worried it sounded like I'm being too serious and too harsh on men for liking boobs. But that's not my point. Boobs are great -everyone likes them. But the juvenile SUN Page 3 approach to boobs/sex doesn't do anyone any favours - men or women. It just satisfies a short term fix. This is a societal issue, not me having a downer on individuals.

Well, I like boobs too, and I look at mine quite a lot. There's nothing wrong with that.

And I've not even mentioned the issues women have trying to breast feed in public.

There's been a lot of discussion here about the effect page 3 has on women (body image etc). But I actually think, the bigger issue is the effect it has on men. Men seeing something they want (which is only natural!) and that seems readily available, creates a 'get you tits out for the lads' culture/expectation. Looking at a subservient naked women in your national newspaper creates an expectation in the real world that you're in control and women are there for the taking. And the behaviour this creates, which isn't very appealing, means women modify their own behaviour as a result. I remember walking an extra half mile when I was 14 to avoid builders constantly shouting comments at me. Read @everdaysexism and you'll read countless tales of men quickly transitioning from charming to nasty when they don't get what they want. Women constantly modify their behaviour because of this, and it creates a slightly more cautious approach in women, that could be affecting their personality in other areas (career for one). I can't imagine what it would be like to be a guy and throw caution to the wind in everything I do. As a women you're constantly thinking about will you be safe, how will you be judged etc. even if you take a 'I don't care' attitude. The great thing about the internet is it gives easy opportunity for women to share experiences and realise it's not just them this is happening to. This has created a rise in a new non-militant style of feminism that makes people realise - hang on, this isn't fair! Of course, this isn't all just down to page 3 in the Sun, but you've got to look at the bigger picture, and the Sun is part of that. And I'm not saying all men are like this either. I know as many men as women these days who are champions of this new feminism. But it's still a fairly dominant aspect of modern life for women, and that's quite sad. Someone said earlier, nudity is fine in European countries, so it should be here. Big difference is in Europe they have a much more grown up attitude to sex. The Page 3 girl is not a grown up attitude to sex, it's actually really bloody immature. Sunbathe topless on a French beach: no one will bat an eyelid. Sunbathe topless on Brighton beach, and I can guarantee you will be stared at, and get comments, and if you complain, you'll be told you were asking for it/attention seeking or that you love it really. Grow up England! That's my perspective on the topic, and I'd be interested to hear other opinions and other perspectives.

Talks quite a bit about Saints from about 5.45 in. They ask him more about us than they do CP!

Thanks for the interesting take on FSS Redslo. By the way, I suspect the Mountain View, California hit is probably a Google bot for search purposes.

Hi NewYorkSaint, Interesting observation. I haven't picked on this, but will be on the look out now you've mentioned it. I don't get a sense of ego from Les reed, but that doesn't mean it's not there. We all have our weaknesses.

Great article. "My role is getting Ronald what he wants." all of this sounds very healthy...

Hi Bear. Don't worry, I'm not interested. Suddenly it's not very funny anymore. See ya.

?! That's harsh.

My story: I'm from Southampton. Football all around at school when I was a kid - went to school with Chris Nichols' daughter and loved playing with the boys. But only starting watching after 1990 World Cup, then got obsessed. Dad hated football, so tried to ban it in the house, but that didn't work. Was repulsed during the Lowe dark days. I really can't stomach anything on the bad business side of football. But loved Cortese and Leibbher as soon as they came in, and have been obsessively following since. The club is the antithesis of badly run football business right now, and that makes me even more happy. If Carlsberg made football clubs, they would have designed Saints for me.... The only annoying thing is, I don't know anyone from Southampton anymore (live in London), so if I want to go to a game, I've got to go on my own, which doesn't really work for me. So It's great to have Saintsweb to talk to!

Ah, get over yourself! I think it's great he could have picked any team, and choose Saints. I think it's very cool to have someone from Texas on Saintsweb too. Good choice SaintTex!

Thanks Pochettino. Still, hope he's OK. They guy needs some help.

Neither of those, and offend is too strong a word.. Just some of the more extreme shots make me feel a bit uncomfortable. I bit like sitting next to a guy on the tube flicking through a porn magazine. But, I guess the choice is like it or lump it. And this is the muppet show after all. Though it does annoy me more on the main forum, because that's supposed to be about football, and everyone should feel welcome.

Guys have got it easy and you don't the half of it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/tennis/30908551

I know But still, what if the answer had been no! Anyway, I'm trying to think of a new topic of conversation for today that can keep me entertained, but that doesn't involve, um, me,