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With regard to student loans, tuition fees, etc; How many on here with degrees obtained them, like me, before loans & fees were introduced, and therefore were subsidised by the tax payer without having to pay anything back ? One thing above all else that p!sses me off in this debate is MPs, of any hue, journos, and other talking heads, who benefitted from the 'old way' of funding FE/HE and now spout out that graduates must pay their way because it is 'unfair' on the taxpayer.

With regard to yesterday's student march - I wonder if the low level of Police presence was a 'protest' of sorts by the Met, indicating the numbers that would be available post CSR.

From the Daily Heil "The Tories won a handsome 40 per cent of the vote in England Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/election/article-1274795/UK-ELECTION-RESULTS-2010-So-didnt-Tories-reach-summit.html#ixzz14xdwzR6s" So the majority in England did not want the Tories.

Which civil war was that ? Stephen & Matilda ? The War of the Roses ? Either of the Parliament vs Charles I conflicts ? The Monmouth rebellion ? The barons' wars against King John and Henry III ? Or the Glorious Revolution ?

And what we have at the moment is a Tory led program of exactly this, enabled by a LibDem party that has sold out on every principle they ever held and every manifesto promise they presented at the last election.

The question is over the speed, depth, and targetting of the cuts. The program is far too dogmatic, there is no need to deal as severely or as brutally as Georgie Boy and the "Ginger Rat", ( @ reproduced by kind permission of Harriet Harman ), are doing. Why not take 2 years longer ? There is absolutely nothing that dictates the timetable other than the date of the next election.

But is seems that for some on here the only way to counter a point of view is too blithely rebut it as 'claptrap'. It really does get the alternative perspective across clearly.

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A concise, point by point analysis and critique of the article.

Strike two !

Strike one !

Torture can take many forms : having to work in an office where "The X Factor", "Strictly come .....", "I'm a Celebrity ( in my own mind)", "Katie & Peter ( who cares ? )" are among the subjects of post-weekend conversation is really difficult to endure.

http://www.redpepper.org.uk/Countering-the-cuts-myths That should wake the thread up.

Burning at the stake, the rack, or the Iron Maiden ?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2007/10/torture-or-nati.html "The "operative", we now know, was Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libbi. He was waterboarded and given Bush-approved hypothermia treatment, i.e. frozen till he could take it no longer. It was only then that he told of al Qaeda's links with Saddam's WMDs. Guess what? Libbi subsequently retracted his confession. According to ABC News, the CIA subsequently found al-Libbi "had no knowledge of such training or weapons and fabricated the statements because he was terrified of further harsh treatment." So I now realize that part of the reason I believed the WMD case for war against Saddam was because the Bush administration had been secretly torturing suspects and got false confessions. The biggest intelligence failure in recent US history - the WMD case in Iraq - was partly created by the torture policy. "

The 'intelligence' that Iraq defininitely had WMDs was obtained by torture. QED !

Schizophrenia can be such a bind.

As long as it teaches them to read and reason, they can do the rest for themselves.

History is written by the victors.

Hitler's rise to power was far more complex than that; it was founded in the German national temperament, a hangover from Frederick The Great and Prussian militarism. Defeat in WW1 and Versailles led to a sense of undue persecution, and the turmoil due to the revolutionary wars in Russia, and the demolition of the Hapsburg empire, created an extremist left-right schism in European, and particularly German, politics. After the financial disaster of the Weimar republic, Hitler succesfully manipulated the democratic process and was elected to office by entirely legitimate means. President Hindenburg thought, incorrectly, that by offering him the post of Reichs Chancellor he could limit Hitler's ambition. Once securely in control of Germany, Hitler was able to exploit British and French hesitation and unwillingness to commit Europe to another military confrontation, ( the French themselves suffering from an internal stagnation due to the afore mentioned extremist schism ). There were many opportunities to stop him, and if the League of Nations had had any teeth or resolve the Thousand Year Reich would have been stillborn. How's that for a left-wing interpretation of history ?

Or quite simply they have come to a different conclusion to yours, and you cannot accept that you might be wrong ?

An interesting referendum on the Brokeback Coalition is in the offing, methinks.

Can you provide some evidence in justification of this facile slur ? Or is this just more playground taunts : "You're wrong because I said so". I could just as easily claim that you can't grasp reality because you support Nigel Farage.

Are you upset because 'Mein Kampf' isn't a set text ?

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