Sergei Gotsmanov

So the cameras were not hidden but does that make it right that tapes were edited to expose the worst of what was said and then fed to the media to generate a media storm. Do you not think that if the culture was that bad over a twenty year period there would not have been a court case of some sort?

I have no idea what Gray's relationship with his female colleague is like; in some offices banter is exchanged; I am not going to jump to conclusions based on a short clip on You Tube - that would be stupid wouldn't it. I am sure if this went on to an unacceptable level there would have been a court case. The law is in place you know. I highly reccomend that you read Big Brother Pedg; it may open your eyes and you may be appreciative of what a free society is.

Why can this not be debated then Verbal? So you agree with female linesman, what about referees? Do you believe that a female linesman should have been fast tracked into the job to increase female representation? Is it right to have female linesmans in such a male environment? There is plenty to discuss Verbal; you clearly do not believe in right to discuss anything that may fall into the sacred areas of political correctness. As it happens I think that if they can prove themselves then that is fine but that my experience suggested that fast tracking was not the right way to go about it. What I find creepy is the idea of hidden cameras gathering evidence to be used at a later time. You clearly believe that it is acceptable, I do not and that we should be concentrating on the outrageous medieval witch hunt that has ensued. I am sorry but I do not know what misogynistic.

Absolutely absurd; maybe in communist China you would be recorded and then punished in some Kanagraoo court but this is supposed to be Britain. It was clearly a private chat that has been put together to incriminate make them look as bad as possible. Andy Gray in particular is not my cup of tea but he has been villified to such an extent that it looks pretty organised and very sinister. Racist comments are a red herring; they were expressing views on woman lino's in what should be a legitamate debate as to whether they can do as good a job as their male counterparts. It is early days and inevitably people will talk about the issue and in an all male context it will probably be come in a banter like form. Do you think Pedg we should be allowed to discuss whether women linos is a good thing?

He is spot on. Luckily it came from a Guardian journalist or those of us on the right would have been chastised. This was a cynical smear campaign and a lot of people acted as they were supposed to. Some of the comments written about these guys was absolutely over the top. You may not have agreed with what they said but there were people all round the country expressing the same thing about female lino's.

Yes Verbal that probably was not worded very well. I was referring to Wendy Toms partner. You still have not answered the question I put to you.

It was a question Verbal. My wife laughed when I told he (admittedly she was at home looking after the children and preparing my supper). I expect her other half did as well.

Verbal do you think that as a club we should have been fined when our supporters sang 'you should be washing up' at Wendy Toms?

Your sarcasm continues to be hysterical. Lucky I do not take offence and speak to your bosses and get you sacked.

Lads banter. I expect pubs across Wolverhampton were full people having the same discussion about whether there should be a female linesman that night. Stop getting so hysterical about it. It looks like they lost their jobs because it suited Sky.

No its generally how fascists and communists enforce their ideologies. Undercover filming and then a show trial.

Well actually Deppo he is quiote right. Maybe one day something will be used in evidence against you.

This was banter, and if somebody did not like it they should have told him so not report him.

He did not know that this was going to be collated to be used against him. Do you really want to be judged on conversations that you have off the record (and it was). In my experience if I talk like an idiot I soon know about it because everyone thinks I am an arse.

I am saying that if you say something stupid then it should be addressed there and then not by secret recordings. I do agree with Saint Bert though AG was pretty dreadful to the Sky presenter.

If you got a smack everybody would cheer - and it would not just be him that smacked you. Why run to matron?

I would think Delldays that on your submarines people express differing opinions - do you report the ones that you disapprove of; or do you tell the person that expressed them they are an arse?

In life people say things privately that we do not approve of; argue with it, show your dislike, do not quietly report it. That is what nazism advocated and it is repulsive.

Just seen the off air banter between blokes - no different to girlie banter. These guys lost their livelihoods for that!!! We now live in a nazi state.

That is absurd BTF considering that 99.9999999% of linesmen are blokes. What I would suspect has happened is that the few women that want to be lineswomen have been fast tracked. Now I would defend that policy to a degree but my experience of one woman do it was that she was not up to the job. I do not care who does the job as long as they are not parachuted in for pc reasons.

That is your view; lets debate without the shacles of PC. I felt Wendy Toms struggled to keep up with play - is that because she was a woman or because she was not up to it. I can only go on my experience. You must have seen more evidence than me?

BTF I really would not care. The fact remains that female linesman have not proved their ability is equal to that of men; there simply has not been enough evidence to judge it. What is right is that they have been given the opportunity. Believe it or not woman are better at some jobs than men and vice versa. In a free world people should be able to debate the subject; personally I think most linesmen do a bad job.

BTf if somebody questioned my ability I would just be determined to prove them wrong. It is very patronising to her. As it happens I doubt she was bothered, just delighted that she had a good game and and did her talking on the pitch or just off it.

I recall Saints fans singing 'you should be washing up' at Wendy Toms. Incidentally she had a terrible game when we played Stockport in the quarter finals of the CC Cup. Whether this is because she was female or not is up for debate.

I feel deeply uncomfortable with private comments being used against people. This is a very slippery slope and is something that I would associate with Fascism or Communism. The fact that they were proved wrong should have been sufficient. If somebody says something you disagree with argue with them do not go to the State. Be warned walls have ears!