Sergei Gotsmanov

BTF I think it would in fact be you that would be the muppet if after an hour's interview you could not identify somebody's political leanings. Of course I would. I dislike anybody who is overpaid in the public sector. They have it easy.

BTF what would your hunch be who they appoint? Why should we pay the PM more. He should run the country out of duty. Then go off and make million on the back of it like the rest of them.

and you expect them to appoint a telegraph reader or a Guardian reader like themselves.

He was appointed by labour run council.

Withdrawn. Too petty.

BTF do you think that MJ was right. The whole episode in the Ukraine was quite unsavoury.

Comrade Verbal speaks, but struggles to see the irony in that he is in fact talking about himself. The first to label people on here racist, sexist or homophobic. His delivery oozing self righteousness and often aggressive in tone. As for Elton, it is a quite legitamate view to feel very uneasy when two old men, who certainly would be allowed to adopt, fail try to bring back a baby from the Ukraine on a whim so opt to go to the States and buy one.

but those who want to wear it should be allowed to even if it is their tribal cutural practice. It is a bizarre alliance of feminists and right wingers that demand the Burkha be banned. It should only be an issue if it does involve the workplace.

It is their religion though and it is a basic right to practice it. I am sure there are a minority of women that are made to wear the Burkha but that should not prevent those that choose to freely. Is it legal to make somebody wear a Burkha?

He is probably trying to get a promotion to Heathrow

I agree with most of this but why ban the Burkha? It should be anybody's right to wear what they like. Who are we to tell people what to wear? We should not interfere with people's culture, that is a fundemental right.

The multiple wives thing probably stems from not being able to spot the best looking ones. If at first you don't succede try try again.

Well I did tackle my co-passenger on this and he said that the reason why women wore the veil was so that they could be judged on who they were not how they looked; I think that shows respect. I do sympathise a little bit on the driving ban in place in some parts of the Muslim world.

I am not a scholar but as far as I understood much of the old testament is in the Koran. They teach respect and love just like the bible. It is just a stricter version of Christianity.

I sat next to a Muslim convert on the way back from India once and he explained the workings of the Koran. Muslims believe in the same God as Christians and believe that Jesus existed but was just a prophet. From what I gathered they believe that the new Testament was penned a long time after the event and have been amended to suit other people. I may be wrong but he did not have a long beard and a bomb and spoke a lot of sense. It is all in the interpretation; there are some quite radical Christians who have interpreted the bible differently to the mainstream. It is easy to suggest that all Muslims are out to get us.

I did not call you names. The law is in place to stop incitement and harrasment. No need to ban everything.

I am sorry but I did not call you a fascist a nazi or big brother himself, just drawing your attention to how hypocritical your stance was. Trying to explain that the legal mechanisms are in place to address the issues that you worry about. People are capable of making up their own minds without intervention.

I never abuse people who have a differing opinion; this is how you debate. You seem blind to the fact that by banning people and political groups you play a very dangerous game and are advocating exactly the same policy of Dictatorships. Everybody should have the right to an opinion, even those idiots at the cenotauph on remembrance day. Only when arguments are in the open can you succesfully counter them. It is called a free society.

Do you not think that Saints Fans can make up their own minds on these dickheads. Censorship is for fascists. Your attitude is far more dangerous; why do you not debate?

I would remind you that this is an internet forum for debate so please do not bully or intimidate other posters who happen to have a different take on a story.

What Sergei does not like is the way that they were set up and the following trial be media.

Verbal and Pedg you must live in the most sanitised society. Ironically you display no respect for the judicial process in a way that betrays an outrageous intolerance and reminds me of the witchhunts of the Trueman days. Trial by media with an increasing hysteria picking up bits of hear say and hurling them about as evidence. Handing out insults to any that dare suggest that you may be going over the top and just maybe there may be moe to the story and that is why it has been presented to the media. You sniff out sexism in the workplace like some Nazi party official looking to report somebody who has not towed the party line. Shall we ban banter? I will tell a sexist joke just like all those that sang 'you should be washing up' to Wendy Toms; it was just a joke guys and when I go home in the evening its my wife that wears the trousers just like hundreds of other blokes all round the country. I hate nobody, but you guys seem to be eaten up with hatred and obsessed.

You are right they must have left out the really bad bits to make a better story.

Annoymous testaments. Kangaroo court, trial by media. Is that how it should be?