Trout-Tickler

Apparently he got a £365,000 pay off from the club. https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/18298976.southampton-football-clubs-accounts-year-ending-june-2019-released/

Sky Sports reporting that the Premier League has called an emergency club meeting tomorrow. With Arteta confirmed has having it, Leicester players self isolating, and Mendy at Man City doing likewise can't see how the season can continue especially as it's now hitting the players themselves.

Our points tally of 11 at home is certainly relegation form.

Great to see VAR stopping the big team bias!

Are you honestly saying that there's no point buying any players unless they cost more than what we've already got?

According to the beeb, since the start of last season we've dropped 42 points from leading positions in the Premier League, 13 more than any other side.

Hawk-eye seem pretty confident https://platform-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/test/HawkEye/document/2015/08/10/6546e487-0c72-45f9-b4f2-3d45f649ae1f/Hawk-Eye's_GLT_How_it_Works.pdf.

Makes you wonder how VAR missed Djenepo's handball in the build up to Ings goal vs Watford.

The only panic buy we've made in recent times is Carrillo. Him apart our 'expensive squad of overpaid average signings' were signed in the summer window, lets face it our recent recruitment has been poor whether it be in the summer or winter window!

But that's the whole point of the scenario I described above, the system as it stands simply doesn't have the accuracy to rule that he was 100% offside. You seem to think that I want VAR to be scrapped, I don't. I just find it absolutely bizarre that people think the system doesn't operate without a margin of error. As I've said before on this thread, there's always some degree of standard deviation with any scientific measurement. Look at scales in the kitchen, when you weigh out 100g if pasta it doesn't weigh exactly 100g, it weighs 100g plus or minus the standard deviation/error of the scales in question. The same is undoubtedly true of VAR. People quite rightly want certainty from VAR regarding offside but you can only get that if the system is accurate enough. Is the tolerance of the system 1 millimetre, 1 centimetre or 1 nanometre? I've never seen anything published with regards to the systems tolerance to what distance it can accurately measure.

Let's run a scenario, VAR checks a goal for a possible offside. The system draws the lines and shows that the attackers right foot is 1.5mm offside. However, through a combination of the frame rate of the feed from which the lines were drawn, identifying exactly when the through ball was played, and the continued movement of the attacking player between frames, the analysis has an error of plus/minus 2.0mm. Consequently, the player could be 3.5mm offside or 0.5mm onside. Should a goal be given or should it be ruled out?

You can only have no margin of error with respect to offside if the system itself has no margin of error. Given the frame rate of the feed from which the lines are drawn and identifying when the through ball was played in relation to the attackers position there must be some degree of error, I simply don't believe there isn't.

There's no way it's 100% accurate. There's always going to be a certain degree of error with any scientific measurement. What's interesting about your graphic (if it's correct of course) is that the error isn't constant and varies depending on the speed of play and players involved. People want certainty over VAR but the technology ain't good enough at the moment to provide it.

I don't have a problem with VAR, I would simply like to know the accuracy of the system and what the margin of error is regarding their measurement of distance. Whether people like it or not there's always some degree of standard deviation with any scientific measurement. Look at scales in the kitchen, when you weigh out 100g if pasta it doesn't weigh exactly 100g, it weighs 100g plus or minus the standard deviation/error of the scales in question. The same is undoubtedly true of VAR. People quite rightly want certainty from VAR regarding offside but you can only get that if the system is accurate enough. Is the tolerance of the system 1 millimetre, 1 centimetre or 1 nanometre? I may be wrong but I've never seen anything published with regards to the systems tolerance to what distance it can accurately measure.

For me this is the problem, being 'level' no longer exists so your either on or your offside. Doesn't matter if it's 1 centimeter, 1 millimetre, 1 nanometre or 1 angstrom (one ten-billionth of a meter), if the attacker is ahead of the defender he's offside. Won't be long until we're employing electron microscopes to look at the molecular level to see if it's on or off.

You've hit the nail on the head regarding the margin of error. I'll admit that I haven't done much research but I've yet to see any statistics/data surrounding the accuracy of the system. People on here are correctly saying that if the attackers boot is 1mm ahead of the line then he's offside but is the system as it stands today capable of such accuracy? Personally, I doubt it but if anyone can direct me to any scientific data that's been done on the system, it's calibration, accuracy and error estimation I'd be grateful.

Your of course correct about the Gabbi offside goal that day but we may have been on the recieving end as I thought Stephens was lucky to stay on the pitch for a very poor challenge in the first half of that game. The problem is that the genie is now out of the lamp and it ain't going back. Does being level actually exist in football now? In reality we'll need to start using electron microscopes to check none of the attackers hairs, cells, dandruff, etc were offside. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team no longer exists IMO which is sad, the game is and always shall be about scoring goals.

Can only be a matter of time before VAR gives an offside because a follicle of the attackers hair was in an offside position.

Remember when people said VAR would end all the controversy over decisions!

Does anyone know the accuracy of the system? I honestly don't believe it can be accurate down to 1mm, that must be within the error in which case the attacker should get the benefit. The way VAR is going I honestly don't know what the point of having on field officials is? I must be getting old but it's sterilising the game for me.

You're criteria for labeling him 'good' seems to be based on that one performance against Liverpool which for me sets the bar extremely low. I can remember Florin Gardos coming on for Toby Alderweireld at Old Trafford when we beat them 1-0 thanks to a Tadic goal. He played well that day but would that one performance be enough to label him good or his time with us a success? It is possible for average players to occasionally play well. As I said before that performance against Liverpool was the exception not the rule for me. Considering you rate JS as 'good' I'd be interested to know how you would describe Toby Alderweireld and Virgil Van Dijk?

Christ, one good performance in 86 appearances is hardly justification to say he a good player. Looking at his Saints career as a whole his performance that night was the exception rather than the rule!

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ross-wilson-art-deal-launched-20528833

https://mobile.twitter.com/adamleitchsport?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Adam Leitch saying it's done on twitter.