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The belt buckle thing goes way back. There was/is a very small group of posters on here who seem to believe that the minute that war broke out someone flipped a switch and Germany lost all religious beliefs overnight. Someone pointed out that the German army uniform carried the words “God With Us” on the belt buckles and for some unfathomable reason this small group of people thought that this was very funny and one of them will bring it up every now again. I assume they do so in the mistaken belief that it proved their position right and how clever they are whereas most people with any vestige of intelligence will see that it just makes them look like berks. I wonder if the people who designed and signed off on the uniform were aware that any use of the word God on it would be assumed as purely decorative less than 100 years later?

So let me get this right Batman, myself and The Guardian are the only ones who talk about the cost of living crisis? Maybe if you spent less time trawling Twitter and watching GB News you might develop a grown up view of our economy and political situation and have something of value to add rather than you usual inane and pointless posts. You are now in your third life on this forum and your posts have been equally as pointless under all three user names. I guess all those years spent in a tin can under the waves have damaged your cognitive abilities. Anyway, thanks for the name check and for confirming yet again that you are completely clueless. I have often wondered what you do for gainful employment now that you no longer feed our brave submariners.My guess is that you along with your fellow gang of followers are Government plants paid to troll internet forums and spend your days trying to discredit anyone who dares to criticise them and their policies. The thing is, you are making a poor fist of it and have probably blown any chance of promotion to Chief Exporter of Refugees to Rwanda, your dream job.

Getting back to the point which the forum thickies seem unable to grasp, this has nothing to do with Hitler and chums being thoroughly decent types who turn the other check and help old ladies across the road. No one doubts that they were unhinged psychos. This original started when the forum Islamophobes would have it that Islam was the font of all evil and disputed that “Christians” were also responsible for abhorrent atrocities which is where Nazi Germany raised its head. In 1939 Germany was Christian country. A census in May 1939 shows that 54% claimed to be Protestant, 41% Catholic, 3.5% claimed a belief in God and 1.5% were atheist. By my basic maths that makes 95% claimed to be Christian. Of these 95% a number would by party members, would serve in the army, would work in munitions factories, would work in concentration camps etc so essentially they would play their part in the war effort and the Holocaust. Christians. Whatever Hitler and the rest of his party’s spiritual beliefs really were, they clearly embraced the notion of a God. That would be the father of Jesus, therefore a Christian God. This is very well documented and is not something that I have made up. The Protestant church broadly supported the National Socialists in their rise to power. The vast majority of Nazi party members remained affiliated to the church. For all of the cheap jokes about belt buckles, Hitler and his cronies clearly saw the benefit in keeping onside with the German people so used religion as part of their ideology. That religion was Christianity. I get that Weston SS and his buddies aren’t bright enough to understand the difference between holding religious beliefs and actions but I thought you were a bit brighter than that.Europe was full of armies of different nationalities in WW2 who were raised as Christians and told “thou shall not kill”. If you follow his logic, the European war should never have happened because the majority of Allied/Axis combatants were Christian and, by nature, should have refused to take up arms. I am sure I don’t have to remind you that the mostly Christian Allied forces carpet bombed hundreds of thousands of German civilians. As we have seen time and again, it is perfectly possible to hold religious beliefs and to also carry out inhuman acts. Anyway, I will leave you to your facile belt buckle jibes.

It’s got nothing to do with me knowing the truth. If anyone knows about this stuff it would be Hitler himself, yes? There are plenty of positive references to God and Christianity in Mein Kampf. Nice try in trying to make this about me but if you bothered to look at what has been written on the subject (as you say the Nazi period has been very well analysed) perhaps you would understand that this is not a conspiracy, it is an accurate depiction of what was going on in Germany during this period. I mentioned one book but there are plenty of others along with numerous articles on religion under the National Socialists in Germany by well respected authors and historians. Below is a quote from another “nut job”. The evidence that Hitler was a staunch Christian is overwhelming. He banned secular education in Germany on the basis that Christian religious instruction is essential to moral development, repeatedly vilified atheism, and although he often clashed with Catholic bishops over his ill-treatment of Jews, Hitler did not perceive himself as being anti-Christian, but rather as bringing the Church back to what he saw as its proper, traditional role in persecuting the pestilent. While negotiating the Reichskonkordat, Hitler said to Bishop Berning that suppressing Jews was, “doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.” There are numerous other examples, from Mein Kampf (“only fools and criminals would think of abolishing existing religion”), to Hitler’s letters (1941: “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”), to the Gott Mit Uns motto on German army uniforms during the Nazi era, to the Lutheran Church in Berlin, full of carvings celebrating Hitler’s rise to power (including an exquisitely carved SA paramilitary trooper on the baptismal font), to the amended 1934 loyalty oath of the German military (“I swear by almighty God this sacred oath: I will render unconditional obedience to the Führer of the German Reich and people, Adolf Hitler, Supreme Commander of the Wehrmacht…”). As I said before, Hitler was all about power and control and what went on in his head, God only knows (pun intended) but the actual issue here is was Germany a “Christian” country under the National Socialists and it very clearly was.

“Horseshit?” Don’t turn into another one of the forum blinkered thickies Whelk. There are plenty of articles and books written about this by intelligent people who have studied the subject. You could start with The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945 by Richard Steigmann-Gall.

I’m not sure what Harry Kane has got to do with it. Whelk, where do you think the information from Google comes from? There are a number of well informed articles about religion in Germany in the 1930’s. At the time of the rise of the Nazi Party the country was mostly Protestant but with a high number of Catholics. If you think that religion vanished overnight with the rise of Hitler you are just as deluded as the likes of Turkish and Batman. During his time in power Hitler tried to formulate a new Positive Christianity in order to reinforce his Aryan agenda. Towards the end of his time in power he started to turn on Catholics, having protestant sensibilities. Hitter’s relationship with the church, as well as his relationship with anything, was all about its relationship with power and control but whatever you think of him and his team, we were at war with Germany and the country was a Christian country. This is a direct quote from Adolf Hitler, “We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian.” From the horse’s mouth.

It is well documented. Google it if you are interested. I have never ignored the religious element used by fundamentalists to justify their attacks. If it is the case that everyone knows that all Muslims weren’t involved it makes you wonder why the usual suspects kept up their tirade! Hypochondriac for example insisted that Muslims were responsible because they weren’t coming forward to the authorities with information. When I pointed out (the obvious) point that perhaps they weren’t coming forward because they didn’t have information he wouldn’t have it. It was that level of ridiculous.

No I wasn’t. There were others that supported the fact that Germany was a Christian country when we went to war so it isn’t a great leap of faith to realise that many of the military were of Christian faith. There is plenty of proof that Hitler used “God” in his propaganda too, as was pointed out at the time. As for absolving Islam from terrorism, certainly not. My point was always that you can’t hold normal, peace loving Muslims responsible for terrorist atrocities. Blaming “Islam” for these events though is ridiculous. Plenty of butchery has taken place in the name of all number of religions but it isn’t the religions at fault, it is the way that some people chose to interpret them. As we know there are plenty of Christian fundamentalist fruitcakes in America that are just as trigger happy as fundamentalists from Middle East backgrounds. The small reactionary group on here wouldn’t have that though so we had endless rounds of posts with them trying to make out my position was something else. Through history you can find countless war mongers who have insisted that “God” is on their side which is at complete odds with most religious teachings which focus on peace and tolerance.

“He arrogantly claims that he is never wrong”. This is just not true. I only started to listen to LBC regularly a few months ago but I have heard him admit that he has been wrong about something several times. He also fronts up when he doesn’t know much about a subject and bows to someone’s superior knowledge. This week alone I have heard him say that he was going to deal with a subject that he knew little about in depth so to bear with him, hardly the action of a “know all”. You may have based your comment on his views about Brexit and the poor state of the current government, but I have yet to hear anyone get the better of him over Brexit or the ineptitude of the last few PMs/cabinets. Given the lack of support in our media for anything slightly left of centre we need people like James O’Brien for a (small) element of balance, or would you prefer more of the like of GB news?

If you remember I was making the (obvious) point that not all Muslims were terrorists and should not be held responsible for the actions of a few, something you and a few others had a problem with. Despite claiming to not know who Katie Hopkins was you spent an awful lot of time defending her, which is why we spent a lot of time discussing her. Not just I but others made the point that Germany was a Christian nation because you and a few others denied it. When Ched Evans was initially found guilty of rape some tried to defend him, wouldn’t that make them rape apologists? You are doing exactly what Lord Duckhunter and the others who support your agendas does and that is to twist and turn issues to suit your limited arguments and to try and obscure the original points being made. A little while ago you pretended to be a born again liberal. That didn’t last very long did it. You were my stalker before Turkish took over that mantle. Does this mean you are going to start stalking me again? You have been quite for a while and I had hoped that you had given up.

What is sad is the way that you and your very small gang of knee jerk reactionaries continue to obfuscate. You never deal with the issues, you just find ways to avoid them and to muddy the water. It’s what the people that you support in Parliament to do the country every day too. You take your lead on social media from the dreadful human beings you vote for, the likes of Johnson and Farage. You, Turkish, Weston SS, hypochondriac and Batman follow each other around here like sheep and all four of you would be well at home in the current Tory cabinet. Pitiful 🥲

What is weird is that you read my posts but didn’t understand that they were not about Eleanor Williams but were, in fact, aimed at Batman’s posting agenda. 🙄 Stupid is as stupid does.

Snap dragon?

Would you prefer a slow and painful death for a trans murderer only or would you extend that to all types of murderers?

What is it they say? Guns don’t kill people, people kill people. Perhaps that should be changed to people with guns kill people. Still, we have our own problems currently with knives. I suppose the only upside to our problem is that you can kill more people more quickly with a gun so it reduces the number of deaths per incident. On another angle though there is a level of detachment about killing someone from a distance and being up close and sticking a piece of sharpened metal into another human being. Perhaps we breed a different type of psychopath over here?

It is one thing being an issue Whelk, but another when the issues are either based around xenophobia or far right policies. I feel sorry for you Batman. I would have said this was your worst nightmare but it gives you someone else to search when looking to copy your anti foreigner/Muslim/any other “dodgy” religion material from Twitter.

Anyone with half a brain will realise that the reported numbers are just the tip of the iceberg. Reports on social media, phone in shows etc are full of anecdotal evidence of “foreigners” being told to “go back home” post Brexit. I prefer to believe the people on the end of the abuse rather than an ignorant internet troll who seems to adopts the daily attitude that if something doesn’t happen to them then it isn’t a big deal. It is a well known fact that narcissists do not have empathy and that tells you all you need to know. I admire your efforts to deal with the least informed but most opinionated poster on here, but you are wasting your time. He is not interested in issues, he is only interested in forum notoriety. Any attention is good attention and you will never win. I just feel sorry for the firm who pay him to work as he seems to spend his days on here on the wind up rather than actually working.

Even the Georgian relic, Jacob Rees-Mogg, who can spout gibberish on most subjects, was pretty much stumped when given the job of explaining the benefits of Brexit to us plebs. No surprise though that there are still a few hard of thinking individuals who still can’t see that leaving the single market has caused massive problems for our economy and standard of living. Getting back on track, another gob smacking piece of Tory bollocks has landed via the gift that keeps on giving, Michael Gove. Despite having told the world a few years ago that Boris Johnson was not a fit person for the office of PM, he would now have us believe that Johnson “is a man of integrity”. This is despite the fact that he has a proven track record of lying to his many wives, the readers of The Times, the readers of The Daily Telegraph, The Queen, Parliament, the people of London and in fact, pretty much everybody. Not surprising in itself, a senior Tory making a total arse of himself and not having the self awareness to realise that he has completely contradicted himself. What is sad though is that we just put up with this guff. This happens time and again and we let it go. The French would hound these buffoons out of office but we just roll our eyes and hope that they get voted out at the next election. What is even sadder is that there are people, a few of them on here, who will continue to vote for these charlatans no matter what they say or do. It is one thing to treat the part of the electorate who vote for other parties as fools, but to treat your own supporters as gullible simpletons takes it to another level.

And hating liberals is a murky business all the time. You don’t see the irony in O’Brien being taken in by Beech and you being taken in by the likes of Farage, Johnson, Patel, Braverman? The difference is that liberals are initially inclined to look for the best in people whereas the people that you zone in to always seek the worst. A prime example is the way that you let the idea floated by our Home Secretary that these shores are about to be invaded by billions of migrants (who are by implied definition terrorists, rapists and all round bad eggs) go without censure. Beech is evil because he targeted people you admire. Eleanor Williams on the other hand doesn’t get a mention for doing the same thing to Asians. I think you hate James O’Brien so much because he holds a mirror up to you and makes it hard for you to live with your mindset. It must be hard to have your deep seated values challenged so strongly every day but fair play to you and your small group of like minded knee jerk reactionaries (good morning Turkish and friends) you keep on managing to fight your ever more indefensible corner.

You muster up an awful lot of righteous injustice in the Beech case but not one iota of concern when Eleanor Williams falsely accused some Asians of rape. Perhaps a bit of consistency wouldn’t go amiss? As for James O’Brien, was he the only media person to “cosy up” to Beech? Was he the only person to be duped by Beech? Clearly not. But given that O’Brien makes daily mincemeat of the values and the people that you hold dear, you feel the need to dump on him. Have you ever had the bottle to call him up and express your views? No, I doubt if you have the back bone because you know you would would be embarrased even more than you are on here.

I don’t think it is true that he hates all Tories.He has been quite complimentary about some of the more old school Tories but I would agree that he has no time for Gammons (which is fair enough). It is quite funny listening to him make them look foolish when he gets them trying to defend Brexit, their view on foreigners and their reasons for hating “woke”. It is like shooting fish in a barrel. It is good to hear someone not holding back on their views about the likes of Truss, Johnson, Dorries, Raab, Hancock, Patel, Braverman, Anderson etc, etc, etc given the free ride that they are given in the Tory press. The are not only appalling politicians they are also appalling human beings and at least he has the balls to say on radio what many of us think about them. Personally I prefer Shelagh Forgerty though, not so full on. You are better off sticking with Nick Ferrari, Batman. He sounds much more like your cup of tea.

I still give that crown to Johnson. As appalling as Truss was, she was out of the door very quickly while Johnson was given more time to f**k up the country, something he seemed to do with relish. James O’Brien on LBC went through a list of his worst moments the other day, as if we needed reminding, and although Truss was a spectacular failure and did a great deal of damage in a very short space of time, Johnson did more damage over a longer period of time. Truss is/was a deluded individual promoted well above her abilities. Johnson is on a whole other level when it comes to his unsuitability for any kind of position that involves responsibility for others and has been his whole life from the point that he declared that he wanted to be King of the World. Truss will be a footnote in the history of the downfall of this country whereas Johnson will occupy several chapters.

Having sat through the whole proceedings I did wonder whether he had managed to bullshit and blag his way out of another mess. That moment in QT when you expected at least a few hands to go up but none did though gave hope that maybe even the most gullible have now finally seen through his act. The likes of Rees-Mogg and Mad Nad will continue to fight to the end for their messiah but hopefully their loyalty to the worst PM in living history will finish their careers in politics too. It has taken far too long but it does look now, thankfully, that the man is finished in politics. For those who begrudge paying the licence fee, that moment on QT was worth it on its own.

Wasn’t it changed to allow coaches more time to work with the international squad? They way things are going we won’t have to worry about international breaks next season anyway.