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Okay Ducky, it is time to put this nonsense to bed once and for all. 1. Aren’t you lucky that despite Hamas deliberately trying to kill you and the Snapdragon, you had the Iron Dome to protect you. 33,000 plus Palestinians weren’t quite so fortunate nor the tens of thousands who have been maimed. They will never get to enjoy another holiday if they ever had one before, but I am sure that doesn’t bother you at all, they are only Muslims after all. 2. Not once have I suggested that there is any “doubt” about who committed atrocities on 7th October. It was quite clearly Hamas and some other Islamic terrorist factions. What I did post was the report from the Israeli police that stated that the IDF were also responsible for the death of some Israelis and others due to their indiscriminate firing. This, note, was the finding of the Israeli police. Me posting their findings does not make me antisemitic to any normal, rational person. The actions of the IDF since 7th October have proved that they show absolutely no concern for innocent civilians when choosing targets. 3. This strange rationale that you have that everyone on the planet is open to criticism apart from Jewish people really is bizarre. By your logic a large majority of the planet are now antisemites because more and more people every day are calling out the actions of Netanyahu and his ultra nationalist government for what they are. Get your head around this. Jewish people are just as accountable for their actions as everyone else. 4. The people you so blindly defend are already under investigation for “plausible genocide”. Their staunchest allies tell them that they have gone too far. At some point even you are going to have to realise that by supporting monsters like Netanyahu and Ben-Gvir, it shows you up as having no moral compass and being just as bad as they are. 5. Most normal, rational people are sick to death of the way that the antisemetic card is played at every opportunity and is used as a get out of jail free card for actions that are just as heinous as those carried out on 7th October. There is no way that the actions of the IDF are proportionate and your constant defence of what has happened over the last 6 months displays a lack of humanity that is quite frankly disturbing. These people are human beings and no matter what you think of Muslims, they have exactly the same rights to life as the people you defend for committing what are clearly war crimes. 6. Netanyahu has managed to lose decades of goodwill that many had for Israel by his actions in Gaza and the West Bank. This has absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with people seeing this situation for what it is, an opportunity for the current Israeli government to crush the Palestinian people. 7. Go back and read what you said again. If you had been taken hostage while on holiday in Israel, the IDF would have had absolutely no problem in blasting you and your Snapdragon to bits. No more jolly holidays for two innocent holiday makers. (P.S. when the Islamic extremists were planning their attack on 7th October I doubt very much if they included deliberately targeting Lord Duckhunter and Lady Snapdragon. And if by some weird chance they did deliberately target you and your wife, why is that not okay when it is clearly ok to you that innocent Muslims are targeted?) 8. If there is a discussion about whether Jewish people are a race as well as followers of a religion, googling “are the Jews a race” does not make you antisemitic. It makes you inquisitive. 9. Because you have a basic hatred of certain parts of humanity along with a small number of other posters on here, it doesn’t follow that everybody else does. Not everyone is a bigot. 10. You and the small band here who clearly have issues with anything that you/they deem as remotely “woke” have been digging out people you see as “woke” for years. That includes me. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know that “woke” people do not spend their time hating on minority groups, quite the opposite in fact. I think that you would be very hard pushed to find anyone you label as being “woke” as being an antisemite (in any normal, rational definition of the word, not by your skewed definition). To spell it out for you, you can’t be “woke” and a religious/racial bigot too. To spell it out even further, no one would describe you and the people with the same opinions as you as remotely “woke”. No one having read my posts over the years would describe me as being remotely like you and the small band of people who post like you. I will say this for one last time, it is entirely possible to hold a government to account for crimes and policies against humanity whilst not hating the people of that country as a whole, or their religion. It is entirely possible to be sickened by the activities of the IDF and also by the activities of Islamic extremists. It doesn’t make anyone an antisemite. It makes them human. It doesn’t make someone a hippy to want to see peace and stability in the Middle East, or anywhere else for that matter. It is called basic humanity and you should try and extend it to all of the victims of this conflict, not just those with whom you spent your jolly holiday with.

My point is that it is all just story telling and humans character playing. I can’t recall but did we all kick off about this production three years ago? I am sure you are aware that various Shakespearean productions have been staged in more modern dress so your Kappa things falls flat by the way. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/anne-boleyn-jodie-turner-smith-motherhood-193329705.html#:~:text=And that starts with the,Anne%3A Jodie Turner-Smith. Also whilst on the subject, a black actress playing Juliet is causing distress amongst some… https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article287419930.html And talking “logically” Ducky, surely it is down to the production team to present their material artistically in any way they chose?

Mask? Little Dinky? The more you post the more you sound like Duckhunter. From the start I have made it clear that I want both sides to stop the senseless slaughter and for the international community to put pressure on both to work towards a solution that is acceptable to all and will bring long term peace to the region. I expect that would involve the removal of Netanyahu’s extremist ultra nationalistic government along with the extremist Hamas government. That is not an antisemitic statement. Criticising Netanyahu, Ben-Gvir and the other far right cronies is not anti-semitism. Criticising the IDF for their tactics and indiscriminate killing of civilians, including Israeli Jews, is not anti- semitism. Saying that being pro-Palestinian doesn’t make you an antisemite is not antisemitism. Saying that being on the receiving end of genocide does not give you the right to do that to someone else is not antisemitism. This notion that you cannot criticise the Jewish government or its military without it being antisemitism is utter nonsense. I criticise our government all the time and not once do you call me anti British - the same with the American and Russian governments - not a peep. Why should the Israeli government be treated any differently? You go back and read my post over the years and you will only find criticism of extremists, be they factions like ISIS or state extremists like Putin and Netanyahu. The Russian people and the Jewish people deserve better. That is not an antisemitic statement. You and Duckhunter clearly do not have a problem with the indiscriminate killing of innocent Muslims and you constantly use the antisemitic slur to deflect from your basically inhuman views. LibDem.

I am guessing black actors in African countries have been playing Henry V for years when they stage Shakespeare. Does it really matter? Should we have got a really disfigured person to play The Elephant Man? Why did an Australian play William Wallace? I think there are probably more important things to worry about than black actors playing white characters.

But they aren’t saying that these people were black are they. These characters are just being played by black actors and I think we are all grown up enough nowadays not to expect black actors to wear white make up. The whole point of drama is that it is a reimagining and people have been taking liberties with historical fact for ever.

You lost any moral high ground you might have thought you had when you said that all Palestinians deserved their fate because they were family members, friends and acquaintances of Hamas members. You also lose points for throwing antisemite accusations around in order to deflect from your own well documented Islamophobia. Grow up and own your own prejudices. How many more non Muslim Europeans have to be killed by the IDF before you accept that they are just as indiscriminately murderous as any Islamic terrorist group? One of the many differences between us is that I want to see the end of attacks on innocent people on both sides of the conflict whereas you clearly believe that all Palestinians are expendable. Getting back to the grown up conversation, someone on LBC just made the point that the current Israeli government are more concerned with acquiring more territory than they are in finding a peaceful settlement to this conflict. They are still taking land illegally in the West Bank and we have heard how some Israelis are already dividing up prime plots of real estate in Gaza. Seems like a reasonable judgement.

Written by some woke hippy no doubt so therefore no big deal. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-hamas-war-ai-b2523039.html

Of course he can’t, just as he can’t help falling for IDF propaganda. I doubt if we will ever get to the truth of what actually happened by whom on that day but he is happy to swallow anything they say. It is also known that is wasn’t Hamas alone who launched those attacks. There were other Islamic terrorists groups and a number of randoms who joined in. https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html# https://www.declassifieduk.org/beheaded-babies-how-uk-media-reported-israels-fake-news-as-fact/ https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl https://5pillarsuk.com/2024/03/06/united-nations-hamas-rape-report-debunked/ He is also happy to ignore the reports from the Israeli police that the IDF fired on the terrorists and the Israelis indiscriminately causing deaths with tank shells and rockets from Apache helicopters which caused bodies to be dismembered and badly burned. I would love to see a proper independent report into what happened that day and since, but given the Israeli reluctance to let any independent journalism from within Gaza and the amount of disinformation constantly spewed out from the IDF, I am not holding my breath. This explains a lot. https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

I am still gutted to find out that the BBC use actors instead of real Daleks and Cybermen. Realism? Pah! And as for the Tardis, why don’t they use a real Time Machine rather than a pretend one? Rubbish! Anyone would think that drama involves suspending disbelief!

They certainly have, you are right. i don’t know if this has been verified (we know that the Israelis are very distrusting of foreign journalists) but I heard an interesting interview yesterday where it was said that the IDF have certain designated “killing zones” in which, everyone that is killed is designated as Hamas be they innocent women, children, aid workers, journalists etc. I have seen a figure quoted of 9000 Hamas killed in the Gaza operation so far. If this is true, the proportion of dead so far between Hamas and non Hamas since 7th October will be even more disproportionate. At the beginning of this particular phase of the conflict many Western leaders supported the position of Israel to take defensive action within the confines of International Law. It has been very clear for some time now that Netanyahu and the IDF don’t give two hoots about International Law and the cessation of the provision of arms and munitions is well overdue. It is just appalling that the loss of 30,000 plus innocent Palestinian lives haven’t brought us to this point, but 3 British lives now have. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/04/israeli-military-likely-knew-identities-of-aid-workers-killed-in-charity-convoy-humanitarian-groups-say And before the 6th formers kick off again, yes Israel had every right to defend itself against terrorists organisations. They don’t have the right to wage war on the civilian populations of Gaza and the West Bank. Has Sunak got the balls to do what is unquestionably morally right? Probably not given his distain for any International Laws that cause the more extreme of his party to get an attack of the vapours.

More media suppression by the Israeli government . https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu It’s a shame that it has taken the death of 3 British aid workers for the Daily Mail and the British government to be outraged given that we are well over the figure of 30,000 dead Palestinians. Perhaps the West will stop supplying Netanyahu with arms now that it is crystal clear that the IDF aren’t fussed about who they use them on? Not that they have been particularly bothered since 7th October. For those who continue to excuse the actions of the IDF, perhaps you should just fess up and admit that the lives of innocent Palestinians are worth less than others.

Let’s just hope that aid workers, medics and journalists make sure that they are wearing clothing that identifies who they are because we wouldn’t want them to be accidentally shot would we? Oh wait. Or waving white flags and calling out that they are Israeli hostages. Netanyahu himself has said that they are going out of their way to minimise civilian casualties. Tell that to the 30,000 + already murdered. Whoops. Accidents happen. As for wide open spaces, the way they are levelling Gaza it will soon be a wide open space so they will get their wish. Your comment makes you sound like Duckhunter. Well done.

Sadly yet another in a very long line of “collateral damage” reports. It started on 7th October when the IDF indiscriminately fired on their own as well as Hamas. Nearly 100 journalists have been killed along with the tens of thousands of innocent civilians locked in Gaza. Still no end in sight of this daily massacre by a gung-ho military led by a government intent of the ethic cleansing of Gaza.

April Fools story? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13259029/amp/Rishi-Sunak-facing-Tory-revolt-plans-criminalise-nuisance-rough-sleepers-including-cause-excessive-smell-minister-refusing-publicly-new-laws.html

There have been some classics over the years - the Panorama report on the Italian spaghetti harvest, The Guardian’s travel feature on the San Serriffe islands, the report that Big Ben was to go digital… The trouble is now there are so many ridiculous things happening in the world it feels like every day is an April Fool’s prank 😉

There’s a hilarious spoof on the front page of The Guardian saying how the Tories non dom plan could save Sunak’s family £250m. Oh wait….

Another nail in our post Brexit coffin of benefits. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68688486.amp

We pretty much used it as “just a trading block”. If you are a member of a large trading block there are various rules and regulations. The trouble was that a certain section of people thought we ought to have the best of both worlds. It could be argued that we now have the worst of all worlds given the state of our fishing, farming and manufacturing industries post Brexit. Still, at least we got our country back. The only surprise in 2024 is that there are still some people who believe that Brexit was a good idea and would bring us so much more than we already had. This one’s for you Duckie 😂

Murdoch is no mug and can tell which way the wind is blowing. No surprises that he will start cozying up to Starmer as he will be concerned about Labour bringing in policies that will lead to the breakup of his media empire in the UK. With Reform looking like they could mop up the dissatisfied Tory voters too it isn’t looking good for Sunak or the right in general when it comes to bums on seats at Westminster.

It comes to something when you are less popular than the truly odious Farage. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-less-popular-nigel-32470306.amp

Another example of Trump the grifter. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68069245.amp Trump the successful business man or Trump the grifter? https://www.thoughtco.com/donald-trump-business-bankruptcies-4152019

Absolutely! Anyway, I posted this here because I thought we had discussed his winning the by-election on this thread as part of a discussion about the current democratic process and choices. His comments have more to do with the state of political discourse and standard of politicians here than a hare-brained conspiracy theory.

Here we go… https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-uk-moscow-attack-isis-obama-russia-b2519381.html

Absolutely. The whole thing was designed to resonate with the flag shaggers and xenophobes. We retained our monarchy. We retained our democratically elected government. We elected Euro MPs and we held a veto so were never going to be railroaded into anything we weren’t happy with. We also managed to keep hold of our currency and retain a “special” status despite being no more special than the likes of France, Germany, Italy and the rest of the EU. We have lost far more than we have gained, not least our standing in the world. The only upside in this situation is that those who spouted the lies are a busted flush and those who continue to support them are gradually dying out. I wonder if they actually realise yet that the straight banana thing was bollocks (along with every other lie we were fed)?

A chilling read if you are Palestinian. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68650815.amp