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Not a bad call to be fair. We are already edging towards a meltdown as we haven’t signed anyone yet despite the season not starting for several weeks and there has already been speculation as to when our brand new manager could be sacked! Enjoy your break!

Not seen anything of Glastonbury this year despite the wall to wall coverage given by the BBC (it seems to be a major part of their corporate Summer season now along with Wimbledon and The Proms) so we decided to sit down with a jug of Pimms to see what Reg had to offer. Despite not being big fans, it was a great show. 2 hours of hit after hit. That is the way to close Glastonbury, give the fans what they want. The only way to top that was an encore of Can You Feel The Love Tonight, but sadly no encore. His voice isn’t the same and he can’t do the falsettos any more, he doesn’t look terribly mobile and had autocues all over the stage, but he still gave it some wellie for an old’un. McCartney could have smashed it in the same way last year if he had chosen his playlist better. There aren’t many long established massive acts left now with stellar back catalogues. Fleetwood Mac maybe if they roped Lindsey Buckingham back in. We are probably due for more headline spots for The Foo Fighters, The Killers and Coldplay over the next few years. Talking of The Killers, what has Brandon Flowers done to his face?

I agree that the Dowden v Rayner was very poor, but there is a lot more to politics than the PMQ’s pantomime. That is petty politics in a nutshell and they all play that game. It doesn’t mean that she is a poor MP or shadow minister. If you look into her life she has had a real battle to get where she is. I would rather someone like her in the House than an entitled vacuous “toff” like Jacob Rees-Mogg. https://www.greatermancunians.blog/angela-rayner-labour-politician-ashton-mp

I think it makes a pleasant change to see a front bench that reflects normal people who can relate to the country on a normal level. These are real people who have lived real lives and have a far greater understanding of what is actually going on than the strange bunch opposite who seem to inhabit a parallel universe and can’t answer basic questions without trotting out meaningless sound bites. If you want “thick” you don’t need to look much further than the Tory front bench (plus the likes of Dorries). I’d choose Rayner over any of those.

Loving the irony and total lack of self-awareness Batman. Keep ‘em coming.

I have no idea but as we know, different things rattle different people’s cages. The Tory’s seem to have a similar issue with Islamophobia. I can’t speak for the “Left” but I do think that, with Corbyn, he does genuinely care about the plight of the Palestinians.

I have no idea but perhaps look at their reasoning before passing judgement? The article below makes the point I was trying to make much better than I did. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2023/6/22/weaponisation-of-anti-semitism-is-bad-for-palestinians-and-jews The film that was initially pulled defending Corbyn of claims that he is antisemitic was eventually shown in the Speaker’s Form tent at Glastonbury. Surprise, surprise, the world has carried on spinning

Are those who support the boycott of goods anti-Semitic? https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/24/tory-mps-michael-gove-bill-ban-public-bodies-israel-boycott

I rest my case. Given that I have been picked up on my use of language, spending time trying to research a topic is now proof that I am anti-Semitic. 🙄

Ok then, I’ll bite. Apart from the Diane Abbot letter that I said I didn’t think was anti semitic ( for the record she tried to say that black people experienced racism and white people didn’t but accepted that four types of white people experience prejudice, including Jewish people) where is your evidence that I am anti semantic? While you are at it, explain why saying that I don’t think a letter written by someone else is anti-Semitic makes me an anti-Semite. I am also enjoying the irony of you picking me up for “clumsy” language when you yourself fill your posts with language left over from the 1970’s. This is an internet forum not the Oxford University Debating Society. I am sure most of us post using a phone using our thumbs to type so little surprise that language is often “clumsy” and points aren’t made perfectly. Throw in a few people like you determine to deliberately misrepresent what others say and you end up with extended threads like this which go off at tangents and end up ignoring the main point and just give the usual subjects an excuse for another pile on. Yes, I do write too much, a product of only having three posts a day. I deliberately used Israeli rather than Jewish as I was trying to differentiate between the state and the people.

Thank you for your assessment of my posts. It is a shame you didn’t bother to point out why you think that my argument doesn’t hold water. Do you agree that I am an anti-Semite because I haven’t made it clear that I only hold certain Jewish people responsible for their actions? I throw those accusations around because they are true. Duckhunter for example has been trying to pin the racist tag and anti semitic tag on me for a while now based on nothing but his twisted logic. What makes it even more laughable is that him and the pile on crew have spent months poking me for being too woke! I stand by my point and the Glastonbury film censorship just adds more weight. In any civilised democracy it should be perfectly acceptable to speak critically of something or to defend yourself if criticised. This place is a case in point. Plenty of different opinions shared here with plenty of name calling on both sides too (and I have been called plenty of names). My use of the word “dumb” had nothing to do with not being able to speak. It has been widely used for many years towards people who aren’t very bright. Anyway, more pertinently, how do you feel about the escalation of violence in the West Bank and the censorship of the Jeremy Corbyn film at Glastonbury? Oh and regards abuse, unlike you Whelk, I don’t call people “cunts”.

Semantics. We talk about the Russian invasion of Ukraine and no one jumps up and down and insists that it should only be referred to as Putin’s invasion of Ukraine. He would look pretty stupid invading Ukraine on his own and clearly needs a lot of help! I know you aren’t as dumb as some of the others on this thread and understand my point. But for the hard of thinking on here, I am sure there a plenty of Jewish people who just want this conflict over and want to live in peace with the Palestinians. It doesn’t alter the fact that their leaders and military are aggressors. My beef is with the way the Palestinian people have been treated and with those who are responsible and their enablers. If that makes me an anti-Semite, then I will be on a very long list. Just to spell it out for Duckhunter. I am sure that many people on here were against our (the UK’s) participation in the invasion of Iraq. It doesn’t automatically mean that we hate the British people. When we criticise it, we are not criticising every person in the country.The people we elected made the decision and our military carried it out but it doesn’t mean that the rest of us supported, are warmongers and hate Iraqis (although we all have an overall responsibility as members of the electorate who voted the decision makers in). I don’t know why I am to having to point out the obvious again but I do know that there are a few very dim posters here who are desperate to twist and misinterpret everything to suit their own agendas. Please don’t be one of them.

I have to take my cap off to you, managing to shoe horn your anti-woke agenda into a thread about a search for a missing submersible. Years of practice I suppose. Perhaps show a bit of respect for those 5 lives in the balance at the moment and hold off until we know their fate at least?

You have fallen into the same trap! As I am sure you know, it is entirely possible to be against a nation’s policy against another without hating its populous. I will call out the Russian invasion of Ukraine all day long but doesn’t mean that I hate Russians. Moving back to the Glastonbury situation, Corbyn has been accused of antisemitism, a charge he denies. It seems to me entirely fair for his position to be defended. If the Board of Deputies of British Jews have a problem with the film’s content, they are at liberty to raise their concerns. Quite rightly, they will have views of their own which they expect to be given a platform, why then deny another the same courtesy?

You can, you only get called those things if you are those things 😉. I would suggest that this particular label is a lot more emotive. People get called Pinko’s, Lefties, Blobs, Enemies of the People, Remoaners and the above all the time and no one bats an eyelid. Once you get labelled an antisemite it packs more punch, which is what hurt Corbyn and why he should have taken it much more seriously and fought his corner harder. The term is weaponised and is used to shut down criticism of Israeli actions all of the time. As for removing labels, good luck with that!

It seems that you can’t criticise the Israelis nowadays without being labelled an antisemite or Holocaust denier. The was going to be a film screened at Glastonbury about Jeremy Corbyn and the “conspiracy theory” about him being antisemitic but the Board of Deputies of British Jews has lent on the organisers and they have pulled it. Pure censorship and if this had been the other way round you can imagine the uproar. It is a massively complex situation and goodness knows how you reach a compromise that would satisfy both sides, but given the way that Jewish people have been discriminated against through the ages their treatment of the Palestinians does them no credit. You don’t get a free pass to crush someone or displace them just because it has happened to you in the past. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/jeremy-corbyn-board-of-deputies-of-british-jews-labour-jewish-los-angeles-b2361117.html

Stalkers gotta stalk! I have no idea what the 10 year old joke is but from many previous posts have seen that Batman used to be a cook on a sub. Rather than make fatuous comments about something that has nothing to do with him, telling that he has nothing to contribute other than personal digs about a historic event in Parliament and a government in a death spiral. I suppose, being a self obsessed narcissist himself, criticising Johnson would be like criticising himself!

Haven’t they called you up to the rescue mission for the missing sub yet? The crew will need to be fed.

Another bad day for the government and another kick in the teeth for integrity, accountability and professionalism. By avoiding the vote Sunak has shown, yet again, that he has brought none of these things to the table. By abstaining, so many other Tories have also shown us their true colours. A Prime Minister lied to Parliament and trashed the integrity of the investigating committee yet they still can’t bring themselves to sanction his actions, even when they go against everything we expected from the highest office in the land. I hope that every one of the weasels lose their seats at the next election. No surprise that my MP, Damian Collins, bottled it last night. He ducked his head below the parapet during Partygate and did so again yesterday. I just hope that the local electorate remember that when voting next time round. Mad Nad threatened all of those who failed to support Johnson with deselection. It should be the other way around. Intergrity, accountability and professionalism - all completely missing from a succession of Tory cabinets over the last 13 years. Sunak is just another in a long line of PM’s promoted well above their station, but at least he was given a lesson in integrity, accountability and professionalism by former PM, Teresa May’s speech. For those on Penny watch. No sword this time but at least she showed some moral backbone at the Dispatch Box and will hopefully have gained more Brownie points in her standing as next party leader in waiting over the dreadful Braverman.

No pretence. I was looking through a historical thread and there it was, a pound shop Turkish type jibe from The Kraken. It looks like you posted there between June and August 2015. I am flattered that you enjoy my posts so much you follow me around the internet. 😘

Yippee. Another stalker. I assume you are the same Kraken that used to have a pop at me on Sotonians? Perhaps you too are obsessed? If you don’t like my posts why not just ignore them? What is so odd about someone writing about Boris Johnson on a Boris Johnson thread anyway, especially when he is all over the news again?

He hasn’t taken a shred of responsibility or shown any contribution and no, he hasn’t f**ked off yet. He is still all over the news and is writing a weekly column in the Mail, or hadn’t you noticed? If he is now such a non-entity why do you still feel the need to comment about him? Strange little chap.

Move on nothing to see here etc. etc. because, apparently, there were no parties. So much for a half arsed piss up. Looks like a fully fledged piss up to me. Johnson said that he would take full responsibility if it was found that there was wrongdoing. Time for him to do as he said for once, stop defelecting, accept responsibility and f**k off. The still pictures were bad enough, but the video brings it home so much more. As said, this isn’t about what we thought about the lockdown rules, yet again it is one rule for us and a different rule for them. So many nails in the Tory coffin now that there is barely room for another. All Starmer has to do is play this video in all the Labour Party political broadcasts from now until the election. The bastards are toast

“Remember, the country ran out of money, right?” Dear God Batman, it was a JOKE! How do you think that the country continued to function without any money? It is customary for outgoing ministers to leave messages for the new incumbent, and this was, I say again, a joke. Apparently it was a throwback to Tory Reginald Maudling leaving a note for his successor, James Callaghan, in 1964 which read,”Good luck, old cock…sorry to leave it in such a mess.” Austerity was a political choice hoisted on us by the Tory government when there were other options open. Time to stop blaming Labour for 13 years of misrule don’t you think? The Tories chose to make cuts in the police and criminal justice system despite supposedly being the party of law and order. They chose to cut public spending across the board. The mess we are in are due to the choices made by the likes of Cameron and Osborne onwards.

It is sickening that Duckhunter dismisses this as jumping up and down over a bit of cake and a half arsed pissed up (no one gives a toss about the cake and the so called half arsed piss up was in fact a number of full on piss ups where people were shagging in cupboards and throwing up in waste paper baskets - normal behaviour in his local ale house no doubt). I can only assume that Duckhunter does not have any empathy towards the many people who could not say goodbye to loved ones properly (including the Queen) and whose stories were recently told again after the Covid inquiry kicked off. They were heartbreaking and their anger and anguish were still as fresh as when it happened. While these people were in the depths of despair Johnson was presiding over and endorsing dozens of gatherings and parties which flouted his own laws and then lied repeatedly about them. His attempts to dismiss them as not worth getting upset about shows what contempt people who support the far right think about the people they share this country with. As with Johnson, it is all about looking after number 1. What finally did for Johnson as PM was the Pincher affair, not Partygate. As damning as this report is, Johnson chose to bottle it rather than fight his corner. He could still be an MP today but he chose to resign. No surprise that Duckhunter is trying to diffuse Johnson’s actions and shame by dragging Blair into the picture. I did not vote for Blair, nor did I believe that the invasion of Iraq was right. But what Duckhunter ignores is the fact that the Chilcot inquiry, although very critical of Blair, stopped short of concluding that he lied to parliament. Another inquiry concluded that Johnson did lie to parliament. 146 of the Tory party voted in favour of the invasion. Only 2 voted against and 17 abstained. 27% of the Labour MPs (153) voted against it or abstained. The LDs voted against it. The party you vote for were very happy to support that war despite the clear misgivings by many in parliament on the other side of the house about it. Clearly Blair didn’t do a great job of convincing a large chunk of his own party but your mob went with it. But this isn’t about Blair, it is about Johnson and his very long list of actions that prove, beyond doubt, that he is an unfit person to hold public office. No doubt you will be rushing out to buy your copy of the Daily Mail to read his article today, will continue to support him in any future political venture and will continue to back him when he does it all again.You really need to think about the way you form conclusions. When his shrinking band of supporters and enablers features Rees-Mogg, Dorries and Lord Duckhunter, it is a pretty sad state of affairs.