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Starmer is doing what he needs to do to get Labour elected i.e. not frightening the horses (Middle England). He can’t change anything, and a great deal needs changing,without getting elected, so he has one job and this is the way to get it done. I don’t agree that there is little difference between the parties. The Tories have run out of ideas and are either pinching Labour policies or are just fudging decisions but they are still looking to appeal to populist policies that will limit damage at the next election. Labour’s intent is to govern for the majority rather than the privileged few. They won’t be able to change things overnight but there are clear differences in what they are looking to achieve and it is going to take longer than 5 years to turn this mess around. Of course this current Tory Party is the most right focussed for decades. The only ones who can’t see that are the ones who want it to go further right. Whatever One Nation Conservatism was, this is a long way from that. The Culture Wars, stirring up hate towards foreigners, “Lefty” lawyers, High Court Judges (enemies of the people), blobs, civil servants, using mainstream media outlets to spread their warped propaganda, outright lies repeated ad infinitum until they become “true”, outright cronism are all things out of the fascist playbook agenda of yesteryear. Even Theresa May, as PM, warned that they were in danger of becoming the “Nasty Party” (Churchill used to refer to Nazis as Nasties). They are well and truly nasty now. It’s although they have been reading Orwell for tips in how to govern. In Sunak we now have a PM who implores us to trust him and likes to pretend that he is a decent, caring human being, yet he is happy to let his attack dogs off the leash at every opportunity (Braverman, Anderson, Jenrick etc etc etc) to do his dirty work for him. It stinks and it has to end.

The lady who spoke on an LBC show was Rosamund Addo-Kissi-Debrah. Her 9 year old daughter, Ella, is the first person to have air pollution as cause of death on her death certificate and her mother is doing the media rounds after the fuss about ULEZ. The phone in topic was about ULEZ. She has been campaigning for ULEZ and for cleaner air. Her being on the show had absolutely nothing to do with my opinion. Funny that. You really are not very clever are you? Still if it amuses you to pretend that I make things up, carry on. Simple things and all that 😚

Last October I received a social media message from a general music site saying that Peter Gabriel was launching a new album and tour in 2023 after 20 years since the last album. I posted a comment “What’s the rush Peter?” Today, nearly 11 months later, I received a notification that my post had just received a ❤️ response from……….Peter Gabriel. 😂

Does it really matter what we call them? Fascists? The Far Right? Alt-Right? Gammons? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck(hunter)…get the picture? Hypo gets himself all worked up about this stuff, bless him. We have crossed swords many times on the subject over the years. Despite the evidence to the contrary, he would have us believe that the far right agenda is not a big issue in this country. Strange that as since Brexit more and more of these people have been sticking their heads above the parapet. We even have a new, polished version of the National Front/UKIP (take a bow Mr Fox) and a would be rival to Fox News in GB News. It was exactly the same with the issue of racism in football. A while back he was trying to tell us that it wasn’t a big issue now as it wasn’t as bad as the 70’s. I think most people now, especially those on the end of racist behaviour, know that to be rubbish and accept that racism in football is still a major issue. You may not recall dear Hypo getting all worked up when I called out the behaviour of the likes of Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson*. Despite claiming to not know who they were, he spent an awful lot of time defending them and attacking my posts. Not the type of behaviour you would expect from a liberal (according to one of his more bizarre posts he referred to himself as such on one occasion I believe). There are elements of the current Tory Party who are far right and are not afraid to use far right rhetoric, which, if he bothered to check a wide range of social media outlets, clearly appeals to a small but significant number of people. They already have Sunak in their pocket and when he is finally get kicked out, it will be interesting to see if they rally behind someone like Braverman. That certainly seems to be the direction they are heading in and the few moderates in the party look to be sidelined by the obnoxious Anderson and pals. Far right politics and support is growing across Europe and we have already seen the support that is still there in the US for Trump. This shit ain’t going away and it needs to be challenged. Hypo once told us that socialism was “dangerous” whilst completely ignoring the fact that it is nationalism in this form that is the real danger. And it all proliferates when people like him try and pretend that it is not a big deal. * I’ve done it now. You can guarantee that having mentioned either Hopkins and/or Robinson the Usual Suspects will kick off again. They might even throw a mention of belt buckles in Nazi Germany in for good measure as it is one of their favourites when this stuff kicks off!

Having just seen this post initially in Buctootim’s response (I appreciate your boredom with this Tim, but this one is down to you!) I thought I would do you the courtesy of responding directly this time. To quote Duckie, for the avoidance of doubt, you are on my ignore list and have been for some time. I have never claimed to have never read your posts. I have patiently explained to you a number of times that your posts pop up when quoted by other people ( as with this occasion) so are unavoidable and there have been occasions when I have chosen to read the odd post (again as I have tried to tell you the ignored post gives an option to read it if you wish)- but yes, I don’t read the majority of your posts. I do not and never have responded to every one of your posts and do not post about you non stop as anyone reading here regularly will know. Yes, I have mentioned you recently because of your tiresome, childish behaviour over the Circle of Trust nonsense. Other people have called out your behaviour on it to by the way, not just me. I know that your monumental, narcissist ego will find it hard to deal with, but I don’t follow you around all the time unlike your odd stalking of me. For avoidance of doubt just look at the times you immediately respond to one of my posts against the lack of response from me when you post. I probably respond to Batman and Lord Duckhunter’s posts more frequently than yours. I know, I know, it won’t compute in your narcissist world in which it is all about you. Here’s a shock. It isn’t 😲 Let’s face it mate, you are all over this forum like syphilis at a Roman orgy and it is almost impossible to ignore you completely (sadly). I’m sorry if this has annoyed you again Tim. I appreciate how boring these spats are to others, but I don’t believe that attention seeking, narcissistic cretins should get a free ride and, frankly, his behaviour doesn’t get called out enough. This place is headed towards to becoming Turkishweb. God help us.

I haven’t flown for the last few years and I recently got rid of my 15 year old car. We only have one car now between us which is obviously better for the environment and we have never been on and don’t plan to go on a cruise. Do I pass your test? Sadly if you are relying on individuals to “do the right thing” it will take forever which is why we need things like ULEZ and government action to speed up change and conformity.

We can argue the toss over this for days but I don’t think the lady who lost her daughter to “air pollution” (this was on the death certificate) would agree with you - of the thousands of others who suffer from the effects of air pollution every year. If, as you say, it is just a money making scheme and if that money is ploughed back into public transport and helps remove more pollutants from the roads, is that such a bad thing? I have no problem with people who cause the most pollution having to stump up for it. There was a very good phone in today in which a number of health experts talked about the many effects of air pollution on the human body. Frankly I am more likely to listen to them than the selfish people who just want to do what they want despite the damage it may do to others.

Really Whitey? https://www.intelligenttransport.com/transport-news/143807/ulez-expansion-london-dramatically-reduces-air-pollution-says-new-report/#:~:text=According to the report%2C the,have been without the scheme. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/03/london-low-emissions-zone-pollution/

For avoidance of doubt the people calling the barge a “fire trap” are the experts who know about these things. I assume that the problem has been exacerbated by the fact that it was previously used for 250 people and now is supposed to house 500 people. For avoidance of doubt I have never said I wax happy or unhappy about the barge being used. If you read my posts properly instead of jumping to half backed. Inclusion like you usually due (too much weed again?). Fot the avoidance of doubt. at least 6 migrants won’t be using the barge or even going back to France. For the avoidance of doubt, the likes of you, Lee Anderson and Suella Braverman wouldn’t have been out of place in Germany in the 1930s. Scum the lot if you.

Labour have made it quite clear that it will take a long time to sort out the mess left by the (hopefully) outgoing government. They have also made it clear what they would do in respect of the migrant issue, which amount to a lot more than the current bunch. They expect the barge to be fully operational when they take over so what sense does it make to instantly non commission it?Try engaging your brain and listening to what they do before making pointless posts eh? I don’t think you have once criticised the Home Office for the mess they have made of this but constantly have a go at those not in power and who, currently, can do nothing about it.

Back in 1976 I was fortunate enough to be given a cup final ticket. Giving no thought to what strip we would be wearing or where I would be sitting I set off for Wembley wearing a yellow jumper and blue jeans. Upon arrival I was concerned to find that, not only were we going to play in yellow and blue, but that I was also sat amongst several hundred United supporters! All went well until Bobby Stokes hit the back of the net and I jumped out of my seat yelling “goal” in the midst of a bunch of very unimpressed opposition fans. Sat back down in my seat and aware of a number of hostile stares aimed in my direction, I managed to mutter something about being a neutral and just wanting to see a goal. Fortunately I have a London accent which probably saved me from a bit of a hiding at the final whistle.

Given the latest news from the farce that is this government’s attempt to deal with the migrants, how long before Lee Anderson issues this quote - “If you don’t want to get Legionnaire’s Disease, f*** back to France?” In another farce, is Lord Duckhunter actually suggesting that the Fire Brigade’s Union has nothing to do with the Fire Brigade and isn’t qualified to comment on what constitutes a fire trap? 😂 Interesting take on the accommodation from someone who stayed on the barge before the bunk beds were installed. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bibby-stockholm-barge-conditions-resident-experience-b2390135.html ps Apparently the Home Office arranged to have the water tested but moved people onto the barge before they got the results back. 😜

It is not my job to put them anywhere but as I have said, they could start by trying to deal with the traffickers properly. I have never complained about trying to reduce the numbers coming over. I have complained about the lack of proper, legal avenues which is a completely different thing. if we are getting into the “people like you” area then perhaps people like you should not just jump to assumptions and read things properly. It serves their purpose not to do much about stopping the crossings as they are making a big deal about the accommodation issues along with the “invasion” of migrants (as I am sure you know, we deal with far less than other European countries. As I have already said, they need to do more to stop the traffickers (if TV reporters can find them why can’t the authorities?). They need to sort of the ridiculous current back log of claimants and they need to actually provide proper legal avenues for people to apply for asylum without risking their lives crossing the channel. How many times do I need to say it? By the way, I was not complaining about the barge (although I did point out that our fire brigade call it a fire trap). I was complaining about Lee Anderson’s terminology. Again, he is Deputy Chairman of the Tory Party yet he comes across as Lord Duckhunter from a football forum. Classy.

This started some time ago on here. From memory some Islamophobes took exception when it was pointed out to them that Christianity could hardly take the moral high ground over Islam when it came to coming atrocities. The burning of heretics (be they Catholic or Protestant) was one example. The atrocities committed by Germany in the 1930s and 1940s another. They wouldn’t have it that Germany wax predominately a Christian country. One of the many counters to this was the Germany army belt buckles which they found then, and apparently still find now, hilarious. I have no idea why, but there you go! The point was not what did Hitler believe or not believe. He and his higher command used religion to their own ends and many members of the Nazi Party were active Christians, which is what the argument was about. They lost the argument but try and deflect by making a joke about military belt buckles. Clearly they are as mutton headed as Lee Anderson. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany

So it being a fire trap is no big deal then? You have proved my point though. Lee Anderson has done his job and has you focussed on a few “ungrateful” asylum seekers and away from the almighty mess that his party have made of immigration. If you are interested in why, read this. https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/09/britain-conservatives-government-bibby-stockholm

No one said it is but I expect those sort of comments from Gammons on a football forum, not the Deputy Chairman of the Government! And if the fire brigade told you that accommodation provided for you was a potential fire trap I am sure you would be more than happy to stay there. I don’t know what other reasons they have for not wanting to go there and I suspect that you don’t either but rather than assume they are being ungrateful, I am happy to wait and hear the reasons why. The Tories are doing what the Tories do. They are throwing red meat to those of a far right persuasion and trying to whip up a media frenzy to deflect from the total mess they have made of this. Perhaps, instead of throwing profanities around and trying to create an “enemy” for the media to pile in on, they should put their efforts into finding an effective way to deal with the people traffickers in France, to deal with the massive backlog of asylum applications that they have let pile up and bring in safe and legal routes for people to apply for asylum here so that they don’t have to risk their lives crossing the channel in small boats. We have been fed more governments lies recently. For example, it is not a legal requirement to seek a skull in the first safe country you come to. If that was the case places like Poland would be overrun with Ukrainians. The government insist on calling them illegal immigrants. It is perfectly legal for them to apply for asylum once they arrive here so the only illegal ones are those who do not. Judging by the huge numbers in the processing queue it looks like the majority are not illegal.

You are paraphrasing. The argument was whether Nazi Germany was predominately a Christian country in the 1930s/40s, which it was. I wasn’t the only one who provided plenty of evidence to that end, including the fact that the army had belt buckles that said something to effect if “God Is With Us”. That was one of the lesser points made in support but they have clearly done their job because that is what has stuck in your mind. There is a small group of people who constantly jump on anything that attacks a far right agenda or is vaguely left of centre. It has been going on for years. Part of their schtick is to twist or make up what I and others say and then make fun of it. Your paraphrase is a case in point. Turkish joined the small group when I pointed out his being kicked off TUI for being a troll and WUM and his pathetic battle of ITK with another poster which went on for weeks and had his narcissistic personality all over it. He has a couple of mates on here, or people who know him, who always back him up or do his job for him. There are another few posters who join in the pile ons because they share the same agendas. It isn’t just me but it has been mostly me for the last couple of years because I am not going to let these people win. Lee Chapman has just been supported by his party for telling asylum seekers to f*** off back to France if they object to the way they are treated here. He sound exactly like Lord Duckhunter and the other reactionaries here. If we don’t stand up to people like this more people like Lee Chapman will get elected and we will become a less tolerant country than we already have become. They will never change and this will carry on as long as people of a more liberal sensibilities post. What is important though is the many people who read here and rarely post see them for what they are. You final point says it all. It is the same people every time, which tells you all you need to know.

No I didn’t say it should be taken off air. Stop making stuff up to suit your agenda. You sound like an ideal candidate for the current Tory Party.

Indeed. I have some sympathy for you Mr Fry. For many, many years you were the most obnoxious poster on here by a country mile. You have now lost your crown and it must hurt. Where you went wrong is not getting a small group of like minded posters to follow you around and provide plenty of support in pile ons. If you fancy it there is a WUM in Chief position vacant on the Ugly since Turkish was thrown off. Fancy it? I think you could do well there 😉

We are dreadful at defending set pieces and these two are part of the reason. Stephens in particular is poor in the air and has no positional sense. Maybe they will be good enough at this level, but the goal we conceded against Sheffield Wednesday doesn’t bode well.

Care in the community? There is nothing a narcissist likes more than attention and sadly the forum’s biggest narcissist is getting plenty of that through his childish little game. Those of you sucking up to him are just feeding his ego. He is loving it which is precisely why he let everyone know about his silly little CoT. He could have kept it as your little secret but where would be the fun in that? Think about it for a while. We assume that someone within the club has passed on some confidential information on the basis that he doesn’t tell anyone else and especially not broadcasting it on a football forum. He then does precisely that. Maybe not to all, but to a selected few who are supposed to keep their mouths shout but he has no idea who they tell outside of the forum. He has breached someone’s confidence yet he thinks that no one will break his? 🤔 So not only is this person a raging narcissist, he is using confidential information about the club he supports to help fuel his attention seeking exploits. Circle of Trust ? 😂 I wouldn’t trust this person any more than I would trust Donald Trump and those of you who continue to enable him should know better.

Shouldn’t that be “hoisted”? 🤔

Perhaps he doesn’t fancy another season fighting relegation?

What the dim Duckhunter had failed to grasp is that you still see people’s avatars if they are on your ignore list when you look at the menus as they show the last poster for each thread. That is where I saw his latest avatar. Still, like the people whose politics he supports he has to try and find something spurious to have a dig at, they have nothing else. He ought to be aware also that you are given the option to read each post from posters on your ignore list if you so chose. It is therefore possible to read posts from those on ignore without taking them off your ignore list. He prefers to pretend that I make stuff up though, probably why he supports congenital liars like Johnson and Farage!

I wouldn’t even start Stephens let alone make him skipper. For a tall guy and a CH he is very poor in the air and his tendency to lose it when a captain should have a cool head and level of maturity about him should rule him out.