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How on earth can you compare Hitler to a convicted sex offender? Do you think what happened is ok?

So the 4 Bulgarian racists that were arrested have been fined just over £400 and banned from attending sporting events for 2 years. That’ll show ‘em!

There is no death penalty in this country for sexual offences against children or adults.

So you think murder can be justified?

I expect they do. It’s just in my time in the CJS I never heard about a kill on sight policy. It was generally accepted that child molesters were a target for a good kicking though. If it is true that the person who killed him was also a sex offender it does beg the difference why you are a target for murder if you commit sexual crimes against children but not if you commit them against someone older. I suppose you become fair game for crimes once you reach 16.

44,000 cases of recorded knife crimes in the last year, up by 7%. In the last financial year 1072 weapons have been taken off of children, including knives, swords, machetes, a gun and a meat cleaver. Happy days.

Given that you cannot protect all of the prisoners all of the time I still maintain that this so called policy isn’t working given the number of child molesters who do not get murdered. It is also a big leap forward from going from being a run of the mill offender to murdering someone. Thank you for the link though. I shall watch it later when I have time.

We have been at this for over 3 years so you would expect the negotiators to know what is acceptable to the Irish contingent and what is not. The DUP seem to be indicating that this is not acceptable to them. If that is the case, why aren’t we trying to negotiate something that would be acceptable to them?

Not sure that the DUP agree.

For the hard of thinking... The game was stopped twice in the first half and an announcement made over the tannoy that the match could be abandoned if the abuse continued. A number of the perpetrators left the stadium but the abuse continued, albeit by fewer people in the second half. What was unacceptable in the first half became acceptable (in as much as the match was not abandoned despite racist abuse) in the second half. We know now that the team took the decision to play on in the second half despite the continued abuse, but isn’t it wimping out when having threatened to abandon the match unless the abuse stops, the match continues and so does the abuse? Fewer people were hurling abuse, but it still continued despite the threat.

Are you serious? Where have I said that the scale doesn’t have an effect? I have simply stated that you have to deal with the problem of racism if it is being perpetrated by a few people or a lot of people. There is no tipping point where you either let it go or you deal with it. It really isn’t that hard a concept to get your head around. I seem to recall you saying not that long ago that there wasn’t a big problem with racism in football in this country. It would appear that the England manager and black players don’t agree with you. I also find it ironic that I am discussing racism with someone who thinks it is ok to use an alt right avatar.

If you think that is freaky check out The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway by Genesis!

If that is the case, how come there are not several murders in prisons every month. If you are “pretty sure” this is the case, where is your evidence?

God you are hard work. Just like Batman you either miss the point deliberately or you are not paying attention. Racism is racism whether it is 1 person, 100 people or 1000 people doing it. Not a hard concept to get your head around surely. If you had bothered to read my point about what happened in the second half perhaps you will understand what I am saying.

I used to work for a company whose mantra was “what gets measured gets done.” It was all about accountability rather than useful productivity.

Yep, very much of its time, although they were pushing boundaries in those days. Most music now is derivative and bland.

Apparently the Bulgarian police have made 4 arrests. It’s a start but I wonder if this is just being done to placate us. It will be interesting to see how many more are arrested.

Which is my point, it still isn’t acceptable even if it is only 1 person.

It looks like the English FA are being charged with the disruption of the Bulgarian national anthem by the fans. Wow.

If you bothered to listen to black players in this country, the racism aimed at them isn’t just coming from one or two people. If it was do you really think that Southgate and the head of our FA would both make the point on national TV that we also still have a problem in this country. I think that right minded people can see that it is exactly the same thing and I am surprised that you cannot see that too.

So she was head of analysis. We have only just bought someone in to replace Rohl who is supposed to be an analyst. How many are there?

Someone made a valid point on the radio this morning. Given all of the pre publicity about possible crowd issues, where were all the police and stewards? It also looked like the Ultras left of their own accord rather than being turfed out, almost as if it was orchestrated.

A hundred is just a multiple of the same basic issue. How do you stamp it out? I wish I had the answer, but it shouldn’t be about numbers. We heard yesterday that the chants weren’t as bad in the second half so we played on. They were the same chants. If they were not acceptable in the first half they were not acceptable in the second half. If every time someone is called on their behaviour, whether it be one person or one hundred people, eventually the message might sink in. Yes, racism and nationalism are different, but they both have their roots in tribalism.

I’m assuming we were the first ones over the cliff?

100 people making monkey noises or throwing bananas on the pitch is racism. 1 person doing the same is racism. Racism is not acceptable and is not more acceptable if fewer people are being racists. What the Bulgarians did last not was not defensible. Draping the cross of St George across your shoulders and trashing foreign bars and cafes is also not defensible. A black lady just called TalkSport and spoke about how bad racism still is here. The focus is currently on the Bulgarians but we need to understand that we have the same element of moronic nationalists in our country who also need dealing with. 100 or 1, they have to understand that their behaviour is not acceptable. By saying that you will always have that element in society makes it acceptable. Anyone who thinks it is ok to discriminate on the grounds of race, creed or religion needs to be called on their behaviour. They need to understand that they are the problem rather than the people they are directing their hatred to.