sadoldgit

Exactly! Lets not get into anyone's maidenhead!

But once again you seem to ignore the fact that these people aren't sitting in a squat in Syria waiting for a drone strike. The cells are spread far and wide and seemingly operate independently. There are probably a number in this country just waiting to set up ops as we speak. We have been making it clear that terrorism will not be tolerated and we have been dealing with it harshly yet this morning body bags are being filled with innocent people yet again, and so it will go on.

It was Maidstone and at no time did I say that Maidstone was the same as Cologne.

I see to remember you saying a while back that they would never negotiate and the only way to deal with them was to fight them (that is, kill them)?

It is quite simple. The aim of the IRA was to kick the Brits out of Ireland and to create a complete Republic. They killed innocent people in a terror campaign that failed. They were never going to succeed and they finally decided that terror wasn't the way forward (although sadly killings still happen but not on the scale that they did before). ISIS want to destroy the West and are employing terrorist tactics to further their aims. They will fail of course and at some point they will see that unless they are prepared to see hundreds more of their own people die by their own hands that they will need to have a rethink. The alternative is that this killing will go on and on for many years to come and they will be no nearer to bringing The Infidel to their knees.

I seem to remember having this discussion before. How do you propose to deal with the many terrorist cells that are scattered all over the place and who are not conveniently located in Syria where they are an easier target?

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I wonder who is was at some point that laughingly suggested that we negotiate with the IRA? After all, wasn't it our policy not to talk to terrorists? Add to that all of the terrorist organisations all over the world who have ended up at the negotiating tables over the years. You may think it laughable but there are plenty of senior politicians in this country who feel that we are better of talking than bombing. Even if we cant deal with ISIS directly we can work harder with others to try to dry up their support and rally those within Islam who might have some sympathy for their cause. As I said before, we need to find a way to live together and to do that we have to stop being seen as a threat to the Middle East.

I wish I had an answer. I would be a very rich man. But to continually use violence to fight violence only lead to more senseless deaths. We need to find a way to live together otherwise this butchery will just go on and on and on. ISIS are not the only problem but they are clearly a big problem. They will not achieve their aim and at some point the penny will drop. At some point those who are willing to blow themselves up will see that their sacrifice, martyrdom or whatever you want to call it actually does not achieve anything. That clearly isn't going to happen any time soon but it isn't helping that we (The West) keep doing things that play into the terrorists hands and provide a ready supply of suicide bombers.

Or Billy No Spuds Mates! Although that is not strictly true. My oldest mate is a Spud, be he lives in that well known den of Spuds supporters, Southend!

Its ok, he is having his usual pop at me. Trouble is he hasn't got a solution other than killing all of the terrorists so I am not sure how that is going to work.

I live in deepest darkest Kent. Never seen anyone wearing a Spuds shirt and don't know any Spuds supporters here. I know of one other Saints supporter, two plastic Mancs, a Notts Forest fan, two West Ham fans, two Arsenal fans and I have seen a few people in Arsenal shirts around.

But they are still not a Republic. My understanding is that their aim was to kick the Brits out of NI and join the south with the north?

Bombings in the 70s and 80s - 1971 Post Office Tower, London. 72 Aldershot, letter bomb Israeli Embassy London. 73 Old Bailey, Kings Cross and Euston Stns. 74 M62 coach bomb, Houses of Parliament, Woolwich, Guildford, London, Birmingham, Bristol. 75 Caterham. 75 Kilburn. 78 Bristol. 79 Glasgow, Airey Neave blown up Houses of Parliament. 81 Chelsea barracks, Wimpey Bar Oxford St. 82 Hyde Park. 83 Harrods. 84 Brighton Tory Conference. 89 Deal. Not just London and not every 5 minutes but you never knew where they would strike next. It wasnt just the IRA though. There was Black September and the Iranian Embassy siege when a WPC was shot dead.

That is why terrorism ultimately fails. The psychopaths or those who direct the psychopaths finally realise that killing people doesn't get them what they want. As you say, if they attacked the infrastructure it would cause far greater chaos. I worked in London during the IRA bombings and we continued to go to the pub and go to work as usual. It was a greater problem dealing with the 3 day week. Of course those who lost loved ones will have felt the pain, but the rest of us just rocked on and got on with it.

Closing the borders will not prevent those intent on maiming and killing carrying out their attacks.

crackle

music

LOL. just listening to Radio 2 and someone called in and asked them to play the commentary of the 3rd goal and they played it!

poxy

morecombe

I haven't seen them yet. How did Pelle play?

hey!

knees

Sat in the pub with friends having a pleasant chat when I checked the final score. I think the shouted "Get the f*ck in" left a few people nonplussed.