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I really don't know Batman but cannot recall anything. Hypo - I am not saying this attitude doesn't come from somewhere, but there is a certain type of person who thinks it is ok. I agree that papers like The Sport and Sun have fed into this. I am not sure a show like Take Me Out is sexist in the way you mean or causes this behaviour though. It is wrong wherever it happens and it may or may not be more prevalent amongst football crowds. I think we are talking about it here because it is a football site and that is our point of reference. We have also discussed Page 3 on other threads. Yes I agree there is a problem in society and yes it needs to be dealt with (and The Sun have covered up their "lovelies" so that is a start) but it needs to be dealt with as it happens too. Big strides are being taken to kick racism out of football. That needs to apply to sexism too. If someone is thrown out for making a racist comment throw them out for singing GYTOFTL too. Every journey starts with the first step.

Ok no need to get upset. I am guessing that crowds at rugby, cricket and tennis matches are exposed to the media and programmes like this. Can you explain why they don't chant obscene chants at woman or chants for them to expose their breasts?

Okay, you seem to hung up on this show. Help me out here. What is it on this show that you think makes some blokes on terraces think it is ok to chant for women doing their jobs to expose themselves or other offensive chanting?

Buy you say there is a link between the two. There is a link between some national red top tabloid newspapers printing topless pictures of woman everyday and blokes who think it is okay to chant asking woman to expose themselves but I still fail to see a link between a really cr@p TV show (and thanks for reminding how bad it is with that clip Batman) and what goes on with the chanting. Take Me Out is about a bunch of young people gagging for their 15 minutes of fame on a purile TV show. I doubt very much if anyone holds a gun to these peoples heads and I am sure we all know people who would love to go and show off on TV like this. I would defy anyone to watch this show and then feel the need to go and shout at a woman to expose herself. Is the show sexist? Would people get upset if there was a single woman and not a bloke on the stand? I really don't think it is about that to be honest. The thought never crossed my mind - I was more thinking about who on Earth really thought that the inane phrase No Likey No Lighty was an acceptable catchphrase! Is the point of the show to use men as sex objects or it is to show up a bunch of preening narcissists for what they are and have a laugh in the process? I am sorry Hypo but I think you have chosen a poor example here. I would also ask this question. Why are you getting hung up with a show that others on here seem to think is cr@p but has nothing to do with chanting a on terrace to someone who is only doing their job?

At the risk of sounding racist, you are trying to make something that is not black and white fit neatly into a pigeonhole. You are perfectly entitled to feel offended by Take Me Out as a sexist show. The fact that society as a whole seem to think it is a bit of harmless cr*p would seem to put you in a very small minority. The fact that a larger number of people think that chanting Get Your Tits Out For The Lads is wrong makes it a bigger issue. To say that the show is the cause of the terrace chanting misses the point by a mile.

So when you make a judgement about someone that you either want to date or not - that is a sexist thing? People fancy each other or they don't. People play the dating/mating game all the time. Darwin knew a thing or two about it. I am not sure it has anything to do with chanting Get Your Tits Out For The Lads at someone who is on a pitch being paid to do a professional job.

Ah I get it now. It is a post sexist ironic attempt to turn the objectification of the sexes on its head and make the male of the species the sexual object! I still don't get how this piece of trashy TV has anything to do with a bunch of blokes on football terraces or a building site thinking it is okay to shout offensive comments at women?

I would need to watch the show again....but does anyone actually get sexually harassed by anyone else in it?

Don't people do that all the time though? I remember many years ago speaking to a woman who said the first time she saw David Beckham she thought wow. Then he opened his mouth and said something in that weedy little voice of his and she went right off him. Both men and women make subjective judgements on each other. That is why we date. It is all about finding out about each other and if there is enough there to take the relationship further. Singing Get Your Tits Out For The Lads is something entirely different.

Blow in her face and she'll follow you anywhere?

So you are saying that shows like Take Me Out make people feel it is okay to chant at woman and ask them to expose their breasts? I haven't seen the show for a while but when I did it was about dating. I don't recall the guy asking his prospective dates to flash their breasts at him. Also why is it down to the men to decide what is acceptable and what is not. If women say that they do not find Take Me Out offensive and relatively harmless but sexist chanting at football matches is offensive why not go with that? I doubt very much if women have problems with lingerie ads or other women wearing bikinis or going topless on a beach. They take part in the dating ritual as much as men and I understand that they quite enjoy the process of dating so I am struggling to find a link between a lame dating TV show and various other displays of differences between the sexes and the fact that some blokes think it is perfectly ok to chant at a woman asking her to expose her breasts. We are talking about boundaries and what people find acceptable and unacceptable. The fact that there isn't a huge outcry about that show on here would seem to indicate that people generally find it harmless rubbish. If you interviewed all those blokes who happily sung Get Your Tits Out For The Lads I doubt very much if any of then would say that he did it because of Take Me Out. It will be because of boorish laddish bravado with his buddies.

I am all for equality so I think we need an International Sexist Day!

What do you mean Pap? This is just your standard everyday American buggy!

Ah silly me. The officer was just firing blanks and the guy on the ground really shot himself five times. What did you see? A group of officers surrounding a man on the ground who then gets shot several times? Was there no other way to restrained the man who was on the ground without filing him full of holes? You must sleep very soundly at night knowing that you are being protected by such fearless officers. If this was a one off Sarnia perhaps I would have some sympathy for your view. Sadly it happens all too frequently. Discharging a firearm should be a last resort - all too often it is used as a default position. Oh, and I did I say the guy was on the ground?

Spitting is disgusting and needs to be removed from the game. I agree that 6 or 7 games in excessive but maybe that is what is needed to send out the message that it is not tolerated. Ok, it wont break your leg or end your career (unless the spitter has Ebola) but it is nothing to do with the game. Tackles are and sometimes a slightly mistimed tackle can do damage. The ref has to work out what was intentional and what wasn't. If you spit at someone you know what you are doing and it takes things to a whole different level. Physical contact is one thing, exchanging bodily fluids another.

Sorry Hypo get I don't get that connection at all. How is making a pr*t of yourself on TV in anyway shape of form like standing in front of hundreds of men with them chanting to expose your breasts? We agree it is a rubbish show but it is born out of the dating game which is very different to the pack mentality you get at football (or building sites etc) where blokes think it is perfectly ok to ask a woman to expose herself to them. If the show was called Get Them Out you would have a comparison.

How can a show about losing women be about equality?

Do we know how he was treated? Perhaps someone behind the scenes took him to one side and told him thanks but we don't think you are up to what we want in the Premiership?

Ditto that.

One more thing Jeff. Lets say you have a daughter. She becomes a physio and gets a job with SFC. You as her pround Dad go along to her first match. 30 minutes in and Pelle gets crocked. It is a proud moment for you as your daughter runs on to the pitch to do the job she has trained hard for. As soon as she steps on to the pitch the crowd strike up with " Get your tits out for the lads." Would you sing along or would you feel sick and embarrassed for her?

Blimey Jeff, where to start? There is a lot wrong with football, sexism being just one thing and the thing we are talking about here. But there is something about the game that attracts a thuggish, brutish element do you agree? When you are bothered about wearing your teams coliurs for fear of getting a punch in the face there must be something going wrong at a very fundamental level. It is full of racists, sexists, tribailists etc etc. I think many crowds are full of people with personality disorders who find some kind of release at a game or by following their club but that is a whole different thread. We have talked about other types of abuse on this forum. To be frank how can a man have empathy for a woman. We clearly do not understand how they feel even if we think we do. It is a clear fact that men and women are wried differently - Read Woman are from Venus, Men are from Mars to get a handle on the differences. I think the point is we need to listen and to try and understand rather then just say it was just a bit of banter so why are you even getting upset. I really cant see the link between a crap TV show and mindless chanting at a football match. It is a dating show and is just trying to turn something that goes on all the time (in bars, clubs, internet dating sites etc) - people trying to pull. To me it is X Factor - is that Voiceist? You will always get some people who say that a certain thing does not bother them but you have to look at the numbers. There are far more people offended than not. Many people with eating disorders or esteem issues because they are made to feel unattractive as they don't confirm to the norm. Porn is an interesting one. It has been around for a very long time. People masturbating over images or over fantasies. Is that sexism or just basic sexual activity. Are you saying if a bloke fancy a woman and has sex with her that is sexism? Woman (and men) sell images of themselves all of the time that other use for gratification. I am sure that picture of Beckham in his undercrackers fuelled many a fantasy in both females and males. Is it wrong? Just human nature surely. It is human nature to go round being offensive about someone elses sexuality - yes in some and that is what we saying isn't right. Singing Get your tits out for the lads is cleary saying that the object of the chant is there to serve one purpose and that is to provide a boorish bunch of testosterone fuelled blokes with sexual gratification. If said person was a pole dancer and made a living out of getting her baps out that is her choice. If someone walks onto a football pitch in a professional capacity and is told to get her breasts out that is sexual harassment surely?

Take Me Out is a dreadful show but is it any more demeaning than X Factor, Britains Got Talent or The Voice? I don't think that is is particularly sexist other than perhaps they ought to alternate so you have a woman choosing males too? It is just a dating show in which someone gets chosen. If it was called Dump The Munter things might be different.

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As said before, did a great job for us but I always thought he would struggle in the Premiership. Perhaps we should have given him more of a chance but then why didn't another Premiership club come in for him? There is a huge divide between the divisions and football managers are no mugs. It is a shame as he seems like a top bloke, but clearly it was felt that he couldn't cut it at the highest level. Rickie has no pace but like Sheringham uses his brain to buy himself time and space. Shape had no pace and wasn't blessed with Rickies football brain.