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The point I was making is that if he played for us your attitude towards him would be totally different. Yes his career at International level could have been a lot better and would have been if he had been Spanish or German and played in better teams. The bloke is a quality player. He is respected by people who know the game because he is a quality player. You can slag him off all you like but England will struggle to find an upcoming complete midfielder like him.

Darwinism, survival of the fittest etc. Call it what you like. It has been this way for a long time and is made worse by the SKY money. If MLT were playing now I doubt very much if we would be able to keep hold of him. Cest la vie.

Did it burn well?

I was a big Yes fan but cant be bothered to see them now they have ditched Jon Anderson. Some things work and some dont. It is his voice that makes Yes work for me. Take out Gilmour and is it Pink Floyd? Ideally you would want them both though.

I expect people are rubbing their hands waiting for our calls. They know we have money burning a hole in our pocket so they are expecting us to pay top dollar. We have been holding out for top dollar with our players so who can blame them?

Would you be saying the same if he was captain of SFC? I suspect you and many like you have got it in for him because he plays for Liverpool and they are nicking our players. Still at the end of the day the people who know football better than you or I respect him. It isnt Gerrads fault that England have been so poor and if he had been lucky enough to be born and in and play for Germany I expect the same people who are slagging him off now would be singing his praises.

He has done. He also accepts that he wasnt always at his best in an England shirt (and he wasnt alone in that). He is clearly still very upset by the recent WC. Whatever people think of him, he clearly does care and it must be hard for a player of his stature to live with those disappointments (as someone who has known great success at club level).

Isnt that the problem though? No one was better than Gerrard (in doing what Gerrard does best). They are scratching around for a captain now because there is no one good enough or respected enough (so they give it to Rooney FFS). If better players than Gerrard or Lampard were about neither would have gone to the WC. Where are the English midfielders coming through that score as many goals as those two from midfield?

It was Gerrard's misfortune to be born English and not German. Lahm would have won nothing if he had been English.

"Great" I would disagree. Good yes. His speed got him out of trouble (and having two decent centre halves). He got up the field but had little end product and should never have been let near a penalty. He wasnt called "Rashley" for nothing in his earlier days.

He was around a long time because a number of different managers rated him. If he hadnt contributed he wouldnt have been there. Simples.

What is your stance on pubic hair Polaroid?

Chelsea were desparate to sign him. I dont think they would have wanted him if he was so poor. Was he playing with donkeys at Liverpool? He was playing with one of the best strikers in the world who clearly has huge respect for him. Gerrard was too good a player to be "just another player." If he had signed fpr Southampton most of the fans would have been gobsmacked. You need to look at what professionals in the game have to say about him. He was a quality player and will have a few more seasons playing in the Premiership left in him. I bet you he would get into most pros best Premiership team of all time.

Anyone who gets over 100 caps for their country deserves some respect.

Basically saying don't panic. Will the message filter through to this forum though?

I did say that Rooney had been poor for England - as have many players. That doesnt stop Gerrard from being quality. Would you really not have wanted him at SFC?

Found out? Really? Thats odd because the pros think he is one of the few World Class players we have produced over the last few years. Many playrs have not shone as they should in an England shirt - Wayne Rooney being one. England have been poor for a number of years and it is not down to Gerrard.

Dear God. I would have had Gerrard at SFC in a heartbeat. He may have not produced the goods at England level (how many have - the golden generation did f-all) too often but he was a quality player and at his peak would have walked into any club side in the world.

You need to grow up mate.

Oh no! He needs to show Ron what he is really made of. This will never do. He may get to stay!

No Artur, Vic, Morgan, Gaston. Lovren, Tadic, Steve Davis so bound to look a bit thin.

And yet the media would have us believe he is off this week?

Could this be St Charlie or Dig Dig?

Isnt that £20m?

Stop sitting on the fence and tell us what you really think Seriously, with "fans" like you if I were KL I'd sell up and run!