saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 (edited) I mentioned this briefly in another thread but isn't getting to the playoffs this season just a huge bonus?? It is annoying losing to sides that are in the top six and there are huge areas of improvement, but it was only 6 months ago that we nearly ceased to exist! I say lets not be so hasty, after all how long has it taken leeds to dominate this league.... whats that saying....rome wasn't built in a day Edited 28 December, 2009 by saintkate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Well said... But sorry Kate sadly perspective is not allowed after a defeat:wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I mentioned this briefly in another thread but isn't getting to the playoffs this season just a huge bonus?? It is annoying losing to the 'bigger' sides and there are huge areas of improvement, but it was only 6 months ago that we nearly ceased to exist! I say lets not be so hasty, after all how long has it taken leeds to dominate this league.... whats that saying....rome wasn't built in a day You are right, but after the last 2 months or so excitement of clearly heading in the right direction and believing the plan to get us back to the CCC in 2 years, finishing a god-awful year for us on another downer has inevitably reopened some doubts, especially if we dont go up this year, Pardew will be at square one again next summer (albeit not on -10 and with a pre-season to prepare) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 It is annoying losing to the 'bigger' sidesAre you saying Colchester are bigger? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Are you saying Colchester are bigger? :confused: i put bigger in inverted commas as, no they are not bigger but they are 'up there' ha. i like the inverted commas. an alpine saint, the minus ten is a huge point that people seem to be forgetting, if we hadn't had that then we'd be up there as well... so...i blame lord mawhinney.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Since when did Colchester become 'bigger' I agree they are better, not bigger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Since when did Colchester become 'bigger' I agree they are better, not bigger come on, that wasn't the point of my thread...and a very minor detail they're not bigger.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 edited ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I mentioned this briefly in another thread but isn't getting to the playoffs this season just a huge bonus?? It is annoying losing to the 'bigger' sides and there are huge areas of improvement, but it was only 6 months ago that we nearly ceased to exist! I say lets not be so hasty, after all how long has it taken leeds to dominate this league.... whats that saying....rome wasn't built in a day You are quite right We are doing pretty well We have one of the best goal differences in the League and are in line for obtaining at least 75 points for the decision it is a shame that we have to take off 10 points for going into administration. We are in the third round of the FA Cup and have a great chance of going to Wembley in the JPT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 We are very much 'work in progress'. When AP arrived he had to get some stop gaps (Jaidi, Connolly and Murty) and some temps to give us options and new faces (Mellis, Trottman, Antonio, Waigo) and three 'permanent' players with a future here (Lambert, Hammond and Harding). The fact we have done so well with a make shift side is a bonus and there will, no doubt, be some more permanent faces joining shortly. Our team for the second half of the season may well look a little different in some areas than it did during the first half. Despite the optimism in some quarters a play off spot was, and still is, a big ask. We may yet make it but realistically we are not closing the gap on the top six and the top six are better than we give them credit for. I will not give up hoping for the play offs but I certainly do not expect it. The side needs to become a bit more settled and containing a few less short term options before we will really make progress. It is a five year plan and we are three months in, may be a little patience is called for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Anybody who *****es about where we are and losing to Colchester and Leeds etc are ****s. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Anybody who *****es about where we are and losing to Colchester and Leeds etc are ****s. Fact. Could somebody please translate this post for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 patience is a must, the plan was promotion in two seasons, this season is a complete lottery, in all honesty the squad would need drastically improvnig if we went up. Do what we can this season, summer consolidate, improve the squad and prepare for the bigger challenge next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Could somebody please translate this post for me Basically translates to "We should have won against Leeds and Colchester" and he wants AP out! Seemed a bit knee jerk to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Basically translates to "We should have won against Leeds and Colchester" and he wants AP out! Seemed a bit knee jerk to me! OK thanks Seems a stupid post to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 As people have said, this season was always a ''rebuilding'' season on and off the pitch, and any success achieved would be a welcome bonus - that is still the case in my book. Some people need to realise that when Pardew first came here he didn't have a decent squad to work with, what he had was a low confidence and low quality bunch of relegated youngsters, with 2 of the better young players being removed from the side. We also lost experienced players such as Skacel, Euell and Saeijs - how people expected us to surge at the start of the season is beyond me, it was always going to be tricky. However, Pardew has shown common sense in all of the signings he's made (both on and off the pitch), they've all improved us in some way or another and that's why im feeling so confident for January. This is another opportunity for us to carry on the rebuilding, ready to realistically mount a consistent charge next year. Let's just enjoy the ride this year, we will probably just come up short, but I know I'll sleep well in the thought that this club is at last moving in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I mentioned this briefly in another thread but isn't getting to the playoffs this season just a huge bonus?? It is annoying losing to sides that are in the top six and there are huge areas of improvement, but it was only 6 months ago that we nearly ceased to exist! I say lets not be so hasty, after all how long has it taken leeds to dominate this league.... whats that saying....rome wasn't built in a day Yes getting to the play offs this season was always going to be a big ask. There is a lot of work to be done with this squad yet, and hopefully a few new faces, before we are real contenders. Without the ten points deduction we would still only be scratching around the edges of the play off zone. And as I pointed out on another thread, we only have 2 victories* against teams in the top half of the league!! *As of this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 We will make the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Do we have to be told we were so close to going bust after every game we lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Do we have to be told we were so close to going bust after every game we lose? No because that point is moot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 No because that point is moot Indeed. I just get tired as soon as some have a slight grumble, we get told were lucky to have a club etc etc. FWIW I share your thoughts about this side being good enough already. IMO we should be 5-7 points better off. We have Huddersfield next (league wise) They are 10 points clear of us with a game in hand. A win is a must imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monsoon Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 No because that point is moot I think that we will without doubt be in play offs. At the beginning of season i thought we would be mid table at end off season. Aim high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Indeed. I just get tired as soon as some have a slight grumble, we get told were lucky to have a club etc etc. FWIW I share your thoughts about this side being good enough already. IMO we should be 5-7 points better off. We have Huddersfield next (league wise) They are 10 points clear of us with a game in hand. A win is a must imo I think they have a book of excuses - sadly the book is very small Yes Huddersfield is now a must win - lose and we could be 13 points off the last PO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I think they have a book of excuses - sadly the book is very small Yes Huddersfield is now a must win - lose and we could be 13 points off the last PO. Could be 16 if Swindon and Huddersfield win their games in hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 I think they have a book of excuses - sadly the book is very small Yes Huddersfield is now a must win - lose and we could be 13 points off the last PO.It is not excuses it is fair reason IMO. To make up so many points relies on at least 8 clubs above us all going on a long run of poor results. One team loses but then another of our rivals win and fill their place. It is not an impossibility but very unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Could be 16 if Swindon and Huddersfield win their games in hand Anymore good news? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Anymore good news? The weather is getting colder and I am going to freeze at St Mary's on Saturday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Do we have to be told we were so close to going bust after every game we lose? i'm just trying to be positive...positivity breeds positivity. i'm a bit like noel edmonds on deal or no deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 It is not excuses it is fair reason IMO. To make up so many points relies on at least 8 clubs above us all going on a long run of poor results. One team loses but then another of our rivals win and fill their place. It is not an impossibility but very unlikely. For every reason/excuse for doing badly I could come up with 2 reasons why we should be doing better. The 'almost' going under excuse was/is wafer thin and moot in terms of defence for a reletively poor start/season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 For every reason/excuse for doing badly I could come up with 2 reasons why we should be doing better. The 'almost' going under excuse was/is wafer thin and moot in terms of defence for a reletively poor start/season. The mentality of the club was at its lowest.The squad was not equipped to play in L1 at that stage. If you went and watched us at Salisbury in the friendly when AP first arrived you would not have expected us to have any points by now. We were appalling. Most games i now believe we will get a positive result, it is years since i felt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 For every reason/excuse for doing badly I could come up with 2 reasons why we should be doing better. The 'almost' going under excuse was/is wafer thin and moot in terms of defence for a reletively poor start/season. we had minus ten points....we had to rebuild a team.... where would we be if we didnt have minus ten points gain some perspective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 why do we have to have these threads/points after every defeat..? of course we will lose games...im sure we will lose a couple more yet.. ffs, time to move on from saying we are luckyto have a club..as the club itself has ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 why do we have to have these threads/points after every defeat..? of course we will lose games...im sure we will lose a couple more yet.. ffs, time to move on from saying we are luckyto have a club..as the club itself has ffs why not? whats the point in moaning all the time... life is good, being a saints fan is good...it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 For every reason/excuse for doing badly I could come up with 2 reasons why we should be doing better. The 'almost' going under excuse was/is wafer thin and moot in terms of defence for a reletively poor start/season. GS you bang this interminable drum each time we slip up - slip ups which are becoming increasingly rare, thankfully - and it is becoming almost obsessive. I would simply ask you this, because I know you will not be able to come up with an answer: which other team, in our league, came so close to extinction, so late in pre-season and was able, thereafter, to mount an instant promotion challenge? To say the point is 'moot' is both untrue and somewhat disingenuous of you; it is anything but moot. We came close to going under, were saved late, lost an almost entire pre-season, lost a number of established players and to add insult to injury started with the weighty millstone of a 10 point deduction round the players' necks. That we are where we are now, some 16 weeks later, is a minor miracle; and we are still progressing, developing, getting better. Why this obsession with where we "should" be? Where is the natural law which states that Saints "must do better" and "should be higher"? Nowhere, because it doesn't exist. We are improving, we will continue to improve, we will in all likelihood mount a serious promotion push next season if we come up short this season. In the meantime why can't you focus on the many, many positives, rather than falling victim to that peculiarly English disease of looking at what isn't right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 why not? whats the point in moaning all the time... life is good, being a saints fan is good...it is what it is who is really moaning..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 why do we have to have these threads/points after every defeat..? of course we will lose games...im sure we will lose a couple more yet.. ffs, time to move on from saying we are luckyto have a club..as the club itself has ffs and anyway, i'm talking about the five yr plan. i trust this lot that are in charge of us, they have a five year plan, and i'm looking forward to the next five years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkate Posted 28 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 December, 2009 GS you bang this interminable drum each time we slip up - slip ups which are becoming increasingly rare, thankfully - and it is becoming almost obsessive. I would simply ask you this, because I know you will not be able to come up with an answer: which other team, in our league, came so close to extinction, so late in pre-season and was able, thereafter, to mount an instant promotion challenge? To say the point is 'moot' is both untrue and somewhat disingenuous of you; it is anything but moot. We came close to going under, were saved late, lost an almost entire pre-season, lost a number of established players and to add insult to injury started with the weighty millstone of a 10 point deduction round the players' necks. That we are where we are now, some 16 weeks later, is a minor miracle; and we are still progressing, developing, getting better. Why this obsession with where we "should" be? Where is the natural law which states that Saints "must do better" and "should be higher"? Nowhere, because it doesn't exist. We are improving, we will continue to improve, we will in all likelihood mount a serious promotion push next season if we come up short this season. In the meantime why can't you focus on the many, many positives, rather than falling victim to that peculiarly English disease of looking at what isn't right? thats what i'm talking about!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 For every reason/excuse for doing badly I could come up with 2 reasons why we should be doing better. The 'almost' going under excuse was/is wafer thin and moot in terms of defence for a reletively poor start/season. Good job you aint an Ipswich fan.They didnt have a -10 spent loads and have a rated manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 what GS is on about is looking at swindon and colchester in that you DONT need to spend money to be bloody good in this league..whilst we are throwing around the cash they lose their players, manager etc and are STILL up there...with managers we would have laughed at or dismissed this summer if they were linked with us... I know we will get there but that is his point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 what GS is on about is looking at swindon and colchester in that you DONT need to spend money to be bloody good in this league..whilst we are throwing around the cash they lose their players, manager etc and are STILL up there...with managers we would have laughed at or dismissed this summer if they were linked with us... I know we will get there but that is his point GS is not doing very well at Middlesboro either must be Scottish failure;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 what GS is on about is looking at swindon and colchester in that you DONT need to spend money to be bloody good in this league..whilst we are throwing around the cash they lose their players, manager etc and are STILL up there...with managers we would have laughed at or dismissed this summer if they were linked with us... I know we will get there but that is his pointbut their fans have not the expectations and so they can take longer to build. We lose a game and all of a sudden the manger is no good, and the players are rubbish all of a sudden.It's like spoilt kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 but their fans have not the expectations and so they can take longer to build. We lose a game and all of a sudden the manger is no good, and the players are rubbish all of a sudden.It's like spoilt kids. dont think anyone is saying the manager is no good..or the players are no good here are they..? but, it does not alter the facts of where swindon and colchester are this season with what they have to spend, the players they have lost etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 but their fans have not the expectations and so they can take longer to build. We lose a game and all of a sudden the manger is no good, and the players are rubbish all of a sudden.It's like spoilt kids. If we had stuck and worked with the team AP inherited and were still 10 points from the PO then id say fair play - good work. We didnt though, we spent BIG (for L1) signing players like Harding, Jaidi, Hammond, Lambert, Connolly, Trottman (on loan), Waigo (on loan), Murty ect ect Because of this + the coaching staff we have, I expected better! I agree that maybe I am too ambitious and perhaps had too much faith in AP & team? Expect little - get little....when will I learn!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 28 December, 2009 Share Posted 28 December, 2009 Heard pre-recorded interview with Cortese at around 5.45 on Solent. He talked about the task of turning round a failing club with a losing mentality. He said that he was so embarrassed by our performance at Swindon that he wanted to leave at half time but protocol prevented him from doing so. Overall, he seemed satisfied with what had been achieved so far and I think I'd have to say I am too. After all it is only 4 months since Swindon. They were a better team than we were then. It's much closer now and with some January additions we'll probably be much stronger than them. As AP says we're not good enough for the play offs yet but we're getting there. Don't think I'd want to swap teams or managers with Swindon or Colchester thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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