Why Cortese has learnt from one of Lowe's Mistakes

[doughnutman]

Now their has been a lot of controversy about the possible appointment of NA by Cortese and that we should be going for a more high profile name (i.e KK or MON). However, these are old school managers as opposed to NA who would appear to be more open minded to the style Cortese is trying to implement. I was discussing this with a colleague at work and we recalled a previous chairman who with Sir Clive Woodward were trying to implement a new structure within the club and made the mistake of appointing a certain Harry Redknapp, who was undoubtedly an old school manager and was not open to the idea of a new structure. This failure to make an appointment who fitted in with the structure cost the club big time (even though the supporters were over the moon with the appointment and was very much a big name that the fans wanted) and lead to our premier league relegation and the subsequent mess we later found ourselves in.

IMO it is good to see Cortese rising above the pressure of the fans and going for someone who will fit into the structure he is trying to implement and this can only benefit us for the future and hopefully avoid another scenario where the management team fall out and damages the club as a result.

So I think that while NC can be criticised on some grounds, it should be noted that he is someone who is big enough to learn from his own mistakes (ie the photographers ban if he has indeed lifted it) and that he will also look back at the mistakes of others and learn from them.

[sadoldgit]

You would like to think that the structure would have been discussed and agreed during Pardew's interview.

[BallBoy]

What if the "structure" is actually the problem.

 

Lowe wanted too much involvement in football matters and I suspect Cortese does too.

[merrimd]

What if the "structure" is actually the problem.

 

Lowe wanted too much involvement in football matters and I suspect Cortese does too.

 

Cortese is the chairman of a football club. Its his job to be heavily involved in football matters. I dont see any evidence whatsoever of his involvement in the first team. I would wonder how many times he has even been to Staplewood?

[bunterboy99]

I would actually think that Cortese hasnt learned from Lowe at all. Rupert genuinely thought he knew everything. Cortese clearly shares a same level

of self-confidence. Yet he has a background in banking, not football. When it comes to football, he is a new boy. he will not attract a top manager

because he will not let any manager do his job without interference.

 

By the way, it doesnt help to have him running the football club as if it was a North Korean government department.

[Topcat]

I would actually think that Cortese hasnt learned from Lowe at all. Rupert genuinely thought he knew everything. Cortese clearly shares a same level

of self-confidence. Yet he has a background in banking, not football. When it comes to football, he is a new boy. he will not attract a top manager

because he will not let any manager do his job without interference.

 

By the way, it doesnt help to have him running the football club as if it was a North Korean government department.

Rupert's guide to Football Chairmanship

1. Regularly replace the Manager/Coach

2. Alienate the supporters.

3. Alienate the media.

4. Alienate Saints heroes.

 

Yes Cortese ticks all those boxes, within just 12 months.

[bunterboy99]

And ultimately with Rupert, the money dried up. The same is happening here. After the big spend in January, we did almost no business of any financial

note in the summer. And while the merits or otherwise of people like Adkins and Howe are for another discussion, they would both come into the

category of bargain basement captures - hardly names to take us to the Premier League. And there would appear to be trouble coughing up for

compensation too. Like the banker he is, Cortese has gone from boom to bust it would seem. No wonder he doesnt want the media around.....

[St Lej]

And ultimately with Rupert, the money dried up. The same is happening here. After the big spend in January, we did almost no business of any financial

note in the summer. And while the merits or otherwise of people like Adkins and Howe are for another discussion, they would both come into the

category of bargain basement captures - hardly names to take us to the Premier League. And there would appear to be trouble coughing up for

compensation too. Like the banker he is, Cortese has gone from boom to bust it would seem. No wonder he doesnt want the media around.....

 

Who exactly are we going to attract to get us out of league 1 then? Yep, League 1. Stop living in the past, we are no longer a prem club who can pick and choose from high profile appointments. There seems to be a hell of a lot of saints fans on here who dont have a ****ing clue about football below the "big names" and well known managers, and take the view of "well if I havent really heard much about him then he must be ****".

Embarassing it really is.

Give Adkins a chance, i sometimes wonder whether we deserve to have a decent manager if everyone is gonna jump on his back just because he isn't in the mould of Mourinho, Alf Ramsey, SAF etc. Other clubs must be laughing their heads off at us, being in League 1 and STILL getting on our high horses about a succesful manager FROM THE LEAGUE ABOVE.

[geordiesaint]

Who exactly are we going to attract to get us out of league 1 then? Yep, League 1. Stop living in the past, we are no longer a prem club who can pick and choose from high profile appointments. There seems to be a hell of a lot of saints fans on here who dont have a ****ing clue about football below the "big names" and well known managers, and take the view of "well if I havent really heard much about him then he must be ****".

Embarassing it really is.

Give Adkins a chance, i sometimes wonder whether we deserve to have a decent manager if everyone is gonna jump on his back just because he isn't in the mould of Mourinho, Alf Ramsey, SAF etc. Other clubs must be laughing their heads off at us, being in League 1 and STILL getting on our high horses about a succesful manager FROM THE LEAGUE ABOVE.

 

Totaly agree! So many on here are living in a dreamland! Dreamland does sound nice I have to say, but it not the real world which unfortunately we live in. Atkins is a solid appointment who I think will be able to build on the team we have which despite the recent results is a very good side in League One. I honestly think all the team needs at the moment is a shot of confidence and the ability to break teams down you stick 11 men behind the ball. Do that and we will win games and start climbing. Atkins will be able to bring this in and hopefully Monday wil be the start of a new era and I for one am looking forward to Wednesday night!

[shurlock]

You would like to think that the structure would have been discussed and agreed during Pardew's interview.

 

There was no structure in place - Cortese, having done an internal audit of what the club needed and where its strengths and weaknesses lay, then decided on a structure. Perhaps if NC knew what he knew after assessing the club, he might not have hired Pardew. As it was, the deal for the club literally went through weeks before the new season, so nobody had that luxury. While the relationship made sense at the beginning, AP and NC grew apart over time as short-term firefighting became less important than a long-term strategy

 

Hard to fault anyone under these circumstances. Sometimes people have different views of the world and you just agree to disagree.

[Topcat]

Perhaps if NC knew what he knew after assessing the club, he might not have hired Pardew. As it was, the deal for the club literally went through weeks before the new season, so nobody had that luxury. While the relationship made sense at the beginning, AP and NC grew apart over time as short-term firefighting became less important than a long-term strategy .

 

Fine. So he should have fired Pardew at the end of last season and given the new Manager chance to get ready for this season.

[sadoldgit]

There was no structure in place - Cortese, having done an internal audit of what the club needed and where its strengths and weaknesses lay, then decided on a structure. Perhaps if NC knew what he knew after assessing the club, he might not have hired Pardew. As it was, the deal for the club literally went through weeks before the new season, so nobody had that luxury. While the relationship made sense at the beginning, AP and NC grew apart over time as short-term firefighting became less important than a long-term strategy

 

Hard to fault anyone under these circumstances. Sometimes people have different views of the world and you just agree to disagree.

 

Ok, so why wait to the end of the transfer window to sack him? If it was the right thing to do, do it at the end of the last season, rebuild and hit the ground running at the start of the new. Instead, he sacks him at the point that we show were are turning things round and we can't sign new players. Priceless.

[sadoldgit]

Cortese is the chairman of a football club. Its his job to be heavily involved in football matters. I dont see any evidence whatsoever of his involvement in the first team. I would wonder how many times he has even been to Staplewood?

 

He sacked the contractors so you would like to think at least once to give them their P45s

[sadoldgit]

And ultimately with Rupert, the money dried up. The same is happening here. After the big spend in January, we did almost no business of any financial

note in the summer. And while the merits or otherwise of people like Adkins and Howe are for another discussion, they would both come into the

category of bargain basement captures - hardly names to take us to the Premier League. And there would appear to be trouble coughing up for

compensation too. Like the banker he is, Cortese has gone from boom to bust it would seem. No wonder he doesnt want the media around.....

 

The money thing is a bit worrying. We are told we are a rich club yet the spend this year was disappointing considering we all new we needed a bit more class. And why worry about compensating a club for a manager under contract unless the money ain't there?

[rick1976.4.38]

as my manure fan said to me,now markus has passed away maybe the family dont want to fund us like he wanted to and have put pressure on cortese to be prudent.hence no big money spent

[shurlock]

Ok, so why wait to the end of the transfer window to sack him? If it was the right thing to do, do it at the end of the last season, rebuild and hit the ground running at the start of the new. Instead, he sacks him at the point that we show were are turning things round and we can't sign new players. Priceless.

 

No idea - perhaps NC buckled under public opinion and held back. That we didnt sign anyone and strengthen is largely AP's responsibility - and you're joking if you think that the Brizzle result -one result- showed that we had turned the corner (btw just look where Argyle and Leyton Orient are in the league, notwithstanding its early days). There are more similarities than differences between DW's three games in charge and AP's reign as a whole. Yes the urgency and determination that AP brought may have gone but this is an unbalanced squad and playing style that has AP's sweaty fingerprints all over it.

[CanadaSaint]

Who exactly are we going to attract to get us out of league 1 then? Yep, League 1. Stop living in the past, we are no longer a prem club who can pick and choose from high profile appointments. There seems to be a hell of a lot of saints fans on here who dont have a ****ing clue about football below the "big names" and well known managers, and take the view of "well if I havent really heard much about him then he must be ****".

Embarassing it really is.

Give Adkins a chance, i sometimes wonder whether we deserve to have a decent manager if everyone is gonna jump on his back just because he isn't in the mould of Mourinho, Alf Ramsey, SAF etc. Other clubs must be laughing their heads off at us, being in League 1 and STILL getting on our high horses about a succesful manager FROM THE LEAGUE ABOVE.

 

Good post. He's a rock solid manager and we can grow together. It won't please those who feel they're entitled to Premier League football but it'll work for most of us.

 

There was no structure in place - Cortese, having done an internal audit of what the club needed and where its strengths and weaknesses lay, then decided on a structure. Perhaps if NC knew what he knew after assessing the club, he might not have hired Pardew. As it was, the deal for the club literally went through weeks before the new season, so nobody had that luxury. While the relationship made sense at the beginning, AP and NC grew apart over time as short-term firefighting became less important than a long-term strategy

 

Hard to fault anyone under these circumstances. Sometimes people have different views of the world and you just agree to disagree.

 

Another one. People conveniently forget that Cortese had very little time to hire a manager and not too much from which to choose. I have concerns about his timing on the AP firing but maybe that was forced upon him as well.

[Dalek2003]

Now their has been a lot of controversy about the possible appointment of NA by Cortese and that we should be going for a more high profile name (i.e KK or MON). However, these are old school managers as opposed to NA who would appear to be more open minded to the style Cortese is trying to implement. I was discussing this with a colleague at work and we recalled a previous chairman who with Sir Clive Woodward were trying to implement a new structure within the club and made the mistake of appointing a certain Harry Redknapp, who was undoubtedly an old school manager and was not open to the idea of a new structure. This failure to make an appointment who fitted in with the structure cost the club big time (even though the supporters were over the moon with the appointment and was very much a big name that the fans wanted) and lead to our premier league relegation and the subsequent mess we later found ourselves in.

IMO it is good to see Cortese rising above the pressure of the fans and going for someone who will fit into the structure he is trying to implement and this can only benefit us for the future and hopefully avoid another scenario where the management team fall out and damages the club as a result.

So I think that while NC can be criticised on some grounds, it should be noted that he is someone who is big enough to learn from his own mistakes (ie the photographers ban if he has indeed lifted it) and that he will also look back at the mistakes of others and learn from them.

 

Are you talking about the appointment of Luggy in 2004...because he was preferred to a high profile manager and that decision definitley marked the brginning and the root of our decline.

[jam]

Are you talking about the appointment of Luggy in 2004...because he was preferred to a high profile manager and that decision definitley marked the brginning and the root of our decline.

 

Apparently we were lucky to get Luggy! I heard one of the other options was a right chancer...

[Dalek2003]

Apparently we were lucky to get Luggy! I heard one of the other options was a right chancer...

 

Yep, we were lucky to get Luggy. We have never looked back since.

[SaintRobbie]

Lowe made so many mistakes, I cannot quite work out which one NC may have learnt anything from. One thing I do know is that NC is on course for catching Lowe up on the amount of mistakes he is making.

 

I think its time to sack Cortese.

[Channon's Sideburns]

You would like to think that the structure would have been discussed and agreed during Pardew's interview.

 

I bet it was. But do you think Pardew was arrogant enough to think he'd do just what he wanted? I do.