Time for a reality check

[Raven on the wing]

Emotions have been running high for some time but to look at things calmly I believe

 

1/ AP's departure was unfortunate, was not planned and was probably not based on the teams performances whilst he was in charge.

2/ We have not become a bad team overnight. Lack of cover in attacking/ wide mid field areas even before Barnards ban and Adams injury has meant we have struggled to score in the last 3 games.

3/ With NA as our new manager who importantly knows this league, and providing he immediately makes couple of astute loan signings, we will be back on course very quickly.

4/ A lot of people on here may owe NC an apology for assuming the worst about AP's sacking, but we may never find out the whole truth.

[gonzo]

I agree 100% with all 4 points.

[alpine_saint]

Me too. Good post.

 

EDIT : Maybe Pardew's departure will turn out to be fortuitous, not unfortunate........

Edited 13 September, 2010 by alpine_saint

[Raging Bull]

Completely agree.

 

Out of interest does anyone know how Lallana is doing?

[Toadhall Saint]

Sounds about right.

[paulsfc]

Agree with 3 out of 4. Not sure why anyone would owe NC an apology though. As you say we don't know why AP was sacked so can't tell if it was warranted or not. My opinion hasn't changed though and still think it was wrong - I just don't think you should sack a manager unless results are going against you. Anyway none of that matters now and that argument has been done to death. NA should get everyone's support regardless from now on and hopefully he can pull a few rabbits out the hat with loans ASAP as we need pace, creativity and goals from midfield and we nowt at the moment. I hope he has enough time before MkDons to rebuild some of the spirit that appears to have gone from the team the past few games and get off to a flier.

[Tony F]

- I just don't think you should sack a manager unless results are going against you.

 

From an employer's perspective, there are reasons why this would be necessary - and it does look like Cortese was faced with one such (non-footballing) indesputable reason. The lack of explanation was probably the result of a two-way gagging agreement.......probably by necessity for reasons of damage limitation.

 

Its a shame, but we have to accept it now, move on and salvage our season.. This is FAR from impossible.

[David Strover]

I have heard why AP was sacked. I don't know if it is true but it makes sense to how the situation panned out.

[Jackie@home]

Yes, Raven, think you've just about summed it up. We'll never know what happened regarding Pardew and his team, so we can never know if NC was correct or not, but it would not be a decision he took lightly. There are too many people prepared to believe all kinds of rubbish with no evidence.

And we've only played 5 league games - there is still time to rectify the situation. Man U have chucked 4 points away in injury time already this season - do you think Fergy has given up on the title?

[Tony F]

I have heard why AP was sacked. I don't know if it is true but it makes sense to how the situation panned out.

 

Go on then - tell us what you've heard..... even if we've heard it before....... you know we wanna know!

[Legod Third Coming]

We could end up relegated and then all four points would look pretty silly.

 

That's football fella.

 

(Oh and I speak as someone who has lumped on us to be promoted at 4/1 and 9/2).

[doddisalegend]

From an employer's perspective, there are reasons why this would be necessary - and it does look like Cortese was faced with one such (non-footballing) indesputable reason. The lack of explanation was probably the result of a two-way gagging agreement.......probably by necessity for reasons of damage limitation.

 

Its a shame, but we have to accept it now, move on and salvage our season.. This is FAR from impossible.

 

I thought the club statement was clear.They held a review and decided Alan and the 2 coaches didn't fit with the new system, why everybody keeps looking for a hidden reasons behind it is beyond me?

[.comsaint]

I thought the club statement was clear.They held a review and decided Alan and the 2 coaches didn't fit with the new system, why everybody keeps looking for a hidden reasons behind it is beyond me?

 

Because this is SaintsWeb . . .

[Tony F]

I thought the club statement was clear.They held a review and decided Alan and the 2 coaches didn't fit with the new system, why everybody keeps looking for a hidden reasons behind it is beyond me?

 

David Strover might be the guy with the light bulb if you seek an illuminated path to enlightenment.....as, indeed, we all do !

[Tony F]

I have heard why AP was sacked. I don't know if it is true but it makes sense to how the situation panned out.

 

Come on, DS - as the Chairman of Naaarwch would say - "lets be avin' you!"

 

In other words - spill the beans m8...........

[NickG]

after last few weeks you think anyone on this site is ITK!!!

[Tony F]

DS has one last post from his allowance left for today....will he use it?

 

Or will he leave us in suspension???

[doddisalegend]

Come on, DS - as the Chairman of Naaarwch would say - "lets be avin' you!"

 

In other words - spill the beans m8...........

 

No doubt it will be another variation on the Alan Pardew sex machine humping his way around the squad WAGS:rolleyes:

[BadgerBadger]

Agree whole heartidely - AP departure may well be a blessing in disguise given how early it was in the season giving NA a chance to settle the ship. I also believe that at the moment this club is best suited to chasing points rather than defending them.

 

NC will be judged over time and it looks like alot of the boo boys for NC have taken a back seat at last.

 

Rome wasn't built in a day and 'another' brave new dawn approaches.

[doddisalegend]

Agree whole heartidely - AP departure may well be a blessing in disguise given how early it was in the season giving NA a chance to settle the ship. I also believe that at the moment this club is best suited to chasing points rather than defending them.

 

NC will be judged over time and it looks like alot of the boo boys for NC have taken a back seat at last.

 

Rome wasn't built in a day and 'another' brave new dawn approaches.

 

Just once it'd be nice to get to mid-day for a change.

[La BoIS Saint]

We could end up relegated and then all four points would look pretty silly.

 

That's football fella.

 

(Oh and I speak as someone who has lumped on us to be promoted at 4/1 and 9/2).

 

That's a hell of a price!! Where was that?

[David Strover]

There are libel laws.

 

It was not humping.

 

It was something most people do on this site on weekends often to excess (footballers are often seen in this state).

[dubai_phil]

There are libel laws.

 

It was not humping.

 

It was something most people do on this site on weekends often to excess (footballers are often seen in this state).

 

Crashing their very expensive cars?

 

Being caught talking on the mobile while driving and appearing in adverts?

 

 

[doddisalegend]

There are libel laws.

 

It was not humping.

 

It was something most people do on this site on weekends often to excess (footballers are often seen in this state).

 

what w anking;)

 

If it's drinking then that rumour has also been chucked around on here already. Of course if it's true and someone has proof it can't be Libel can it? If theres no proof it's just another rumour.

[David Strover]

If I say it is the reason - then I am close to libel as I have no proof.

 

Therefore I will reiterate that this a rumour that maybe true or malicious but I do not say it is either.

 

I know it has been posted on here I didn't say it hadn't. But it does make sense with the 'known' facts - three people instantly dismissed out of the blue.

 

This was passed to me by someone who I trust.

 

It's all I have ever been told and to be honest I don't really care either way - it's history you can't unring a bell.

[Professor]

There are libel laws.

 

It was not humping.

 

It was something most people do on this site on weekends often to excess (footballers are often seen in this state).

What all three of them? OK, suppose its possible, but in that case a statement could have been made that said that the three had left because of a loss of confidence or some other such form of words. Instead if this rumour is true, the club statement lied by implying it was performance reasons. On the other hand if we take the statement as being true, the obvious question was asked, which was 'Why now, and why not in the summer?'

 

It may well prove to be a good thing for the club to have a different man in charge, but its a shame things weren't handled differently, one way or the other, if only because we have lost 9 points that we might not have lost. The reality now is that there is a hard catch-up job to do, and automatic promotion is unlikely, not only because of the lost points but because the squad was not refreshed when it should have been.

Edited 14 September, 2010 by Professor

[David Strover]

I have no insights to how the club works.

 

It could be utter bullshine - the choice is with the reader.

[rolosfc]

Agree with 3 out of 4, don't owe Nicola any type of an apology IMO.

[Wes Tender]

What all three of them? OK, suppose its possible, but in that case a statement could have been made that said that the three had left because of a loss of confidence or some other such form of words. Instead if this rumour is true, the club statement lied by implying it was performance reasons. On the other hand if we take the statement as being true, the obvious question was asked, which was 'Why now, and why not in the summer?'

 

It may well prove to be a good thing for the club to have a different man in charge, but its a shame things weren't handled differently, one way or the other, if only because we have lost 9 points that we might not have lost. The reality now is that there is a hard catch-up job to do, and automatic promotion is unlikely, not only because of the lost points but because the squad was not refreshed when it should have been.

Regarding the first point, nobody on here knows for a fact what transpired to culminate in Pardew's dismissal along with his lieutenants. But the form of words used in the statement on the OS might well have been a device to deflect attention away from the real reasons, thus avoiding media attention and further repercussions. Who knows?

 

As to the timing, even if the OS statement were true, you'd be quite happy to allow that management team to stay the entire year, would you, rather than fixing the situation immediately, allowing the new man plenty of time to make his own impact on the team early? Whether we would have secured those 9 points under Pardew is pure conjecture on your part. I personally do not reckon that he would have achieved them without Lallana, Barnard and an off form Lambert. Saying that automatic promotion is unlikely at this stage is bizarre. Check out where Sunderland were at Christmas when Keane came in.

[Tony F]

Looks like I should thank Mr Strover for responding to my chiding - and also, it appears, paying "the necessary" to become a Full Member.....cos he was a 3-a-day man up to last night !!

 

Welcome, sir!

[Legod Third Coming]

That's a hell of a price!! Where was that?

 

4/1 with the Tote, 9/2 with Bet365... oh but it was to win the league as opposed to just promotion.

[jam]

What all three of them? OK, suppose its possible, but in that case a statement could have been made that said that the three had left because of a loss of confidence or some other such form of words. Instead if this rumour is true, the club statement lied by implying it was performance reasons. On the other hand if we take the statement as being true, the obvious question was asked, which was 'Why now, and why not in the summer?'

 

It may well prove to be a good thing for the club to have a different man in charge, but its a shame things weren't handled differently, one way or the other, if only because we have lost 9 points that we might not have lost. The reality now is that there is a hard catch-up job to do, and automatic promotion is unlikely, not only because of the lost points but because the squad was not refreshed when it should have been.

 

We've lost six points and Pardew did nothing last year to suggest that we'd get anything from Swindon away.

 

We're seven points off top and have to play five of the top six twice, that's potentially six points from each of them. Which the team should be aiming to achieve if they were ever serious about winning the division title this year.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I thought the club statement was clear.They held a review and decided Alan and the 2 coaches didn't fit with the new system, why everybody keeps looking for a hidden reasons behind it is beyond me?

 

Can anyone actually say exactly what "didn't fit with the new system" actually means?

Exactly what is the new system, and how didn't they fit?

...Bearing in mind it has been reported that LR isn't to have any role in relation to the first team, where and how exactly is the first team coaching set up expected to fit?

 

This cannot be explained simply by repeating generalities about "seamless integration" or some other similar bits of management speak, but real detail about how things were being done and what the expectations are about how it is supposed to work.

[doddisalegend]

Can anyone actually say exactly what "didn't fit with the new system" actually means?

Exactly what is the new system, and how didn't they fit?

...Bearing in mind it has been reported that LR isn't to have any role in relation to the first team, where and how exactly is the first team coaching set up expected to fit?

 

This cannot be explained simply by repeating generalities about "seamless integration" or some other similar bits of management speak, but real detail about how things were being done and what the expectations are about how it is supposed to work.

 

No becuase no one knows. Despite the hoard of supposed ITKers around here no one really has a clue what goes on behind closed doors at saints anymore. In the old days the club had more leaks than a bucket full of holes you couldn't move for ITKers who did actually know something now we all have to rely on the O/S news. So who knows what the review alluded to in the club statement about sacking AP found other than the manger and two coaches didn't fit.

[Charlie Wayman]

Me too. Good post.

 

EDIT : Maybe Pardew's departure will turn out to be fortuitous, not unfortunate........

 

or the opposite of course