Mole Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 We had two years of parachute money and we all knew that unless we went up during this window we'd been down for the long haul. The first year of the parachute payments was a wasted year. Lowe spent a pawltry £90,000 in that first season and we blew that chance. This left us with just year two to put all our eggs in one basket and go for it and we all know what happened. Lowe not only relegated us, but his negative approach in year one in the CCC saw to it that we squandered our best chance to bounce back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gully Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Its one of two things, either it what you've mentioned about lack of ambition in that first season, or allowing Burley to spend stupid money over the next two years. One significantly impared our chance of a quick return and one has left the club on the verge of bankruptcy. Personally I think the latter has been more detremental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Can't blame Lowe entirely for what has happened SINCE relegation. In our first season down, Redknapp admitted that he had more money to spen, but just couldn't find the players he wanted to spend it on. That may have been because the money Lowe was prepared to invest didn't match the valuations of Redknapp's targets, or because Bagpuss wasn't really in the job. The most likely answer is a combination of both. At the time I thought Burley's appointment was a good one. However with hindsight he badly underachieve and blew what was perhaps our only chance to get back into the Prem for another decade. Whether or not we spent beyond our needs with the parachute payment I cannot say, but what happened last summer was criminal. Aside from Burley's complete lack of interest in the defence, the board allowed our wage bill to increase, despite the huge drop in revenue. I was pleased we signed Saganowski and we needed Thomas, but Euell? Last season Crouch made a massive error in loaning out Rasiak and Skacel, which almost relegated us in itself. He did however make up for it with the appointment of Pearson. He turned out to be an excellent appointment, which few on here, myself included, could have foreseen. Lowe's decision to fire Pearson and replace him with a manager from the Dutch equivalent of Bognor Regis town was a gross error of judgement and another case of Lowe's ego coming before the best interests of the club. Going by most reports on here, JP looks out of his depth and is making Burley-esq errors in team selection, substitution and transfer, if indeed they are his errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwaySaint1 Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 The parachute money is to help relegated clubs with huge wage bills to downsize,not to spend on trying to gain promotion back to the premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Paul C Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 The biggest mistake post relegation Keeping 'Arry on. He had no interest in the job and Lowe should have said thanks but no thanks and sacked him. By the time he left the damage had been well and truly done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Keeping Redknapp and giving him and not pushing the boat out money wise was Lowe's first mistake. That along with the Woodward farce meant bouncing straight back was virtually impossible despite having probably the best squad in the Championship (Neimi, Walcott, Quashie, Higgingbotham, Oakley etc). Appointing Burley proved to be a mistake but since that not cutting our cloth after the play-off season was dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Keeping Redknapp and giving him and not pushing the boat out money wise was Lowe's first mistake. That along with the Woodward farce meant bouncing straight back was virtually impossible despite having probably the best squad in the Championship (Neimi, Walcott, Quashie, Higgingbotham, Oakley etc). Appointing Burley proved to be a mistake but since that not cutting our cloth after the play-off season was dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 At the time, having sold Crouch and Philips, all we seemed to be missing in that first season were some strikers - for some reason we didn't think that Jones and Fuller were good enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 At the time, having sold Crouch and Philips, all we seemed to be missing in that first season were some strikers - for some reason we didn't think that Jones and Fuller were good enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Letting a novice take the first penalty in the play-offs! Mine would of been putting so much faith in Burley only to see it blow up in my face after 6 months of his abysmal tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Letting a novice take the first penalty in the play-offs! Mine would of been putting so much faith in Burley only to see it blow up in my face after 6 months of his abysmal tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Not keeping our nerve when we were near the play off places in the first season down and the impatience turned the fans to start getting at HR.He could sense the mood and left first chance he had. I know people wont like that assessment but that is how I see it. The squad we had even without Crouch and Phillips would win this league now and had HR stayed we would have been back by now. The longer down the more we had to dilute the squad as so on. So perhaps it was Lowe letting HR go to Pompoey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Not keeping our nerve when we were near the play off places in the first season down and the impatience turned the fans to start getting at HR.He could sense the mood and left first chance he had. I know people wont like that assessment but that is how I see it. The squad we had even without Crouch and Phillips would win this league now and had HR stayed we would have been back by now. The longer down the more we had to dilute the squad as so on. So perhaps it was Lowe letting HR go to Pompoey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Lowe made a lots of mistakes when we got relegated - compounding the mistakes he made that got us relegated Lowe kept Redknapp and his cronies on board - real old school boys - and brought in Woodward and Clifford - who had a new way of doing things - so we were niether one thinhg nor the other - just a real mess! we just kept going down the middle and straight on to the rocks the other big mistake was with the team - we got rid of too many players - but at the same time we didn't get rid of enough we should have either kept the team together and given our all to have gone straight back up - or cleared out the lot and used it as an opportunity to rebuild the club from the ground up instead we let too many key players go - but still kept too many high earners - so we were stuck in a position where we were leaking money - but still had no chance of going up the ship was truly rudderless with Admiral Lowe at the helm! the Burley, Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Oldknow and spending the £7 million we didn't have mess is a whole different story though Lowe should take the blame for appointing Burley - although I think we all thought it was a good decision at the time! Once we were relegated we should have sacked Redknapp and his mates straight away, moved on all of the first team apart from Oakley, Prutton and Baird, put these 3 on new long term contracts, to cut our wage bill right back to manageable CCC levels We then should have brought in players like Brian Howard and Frank Simek on free transfers, and signed other like Hoyte, Kirkland and Le Tallec on loan We then should have brought through our youngsters like Surman, Griffit, Folly, Best, Blackstock, Jones, Mills and Cranie but put them on long term contracts so they couldn't be snatched away by other clubs we also should have appointed a technical or football director, brought in Woodward as Head of Sports Science, Clifford as skills coach and then made Glen Hoddle head coach Huw Jennings should also have been tied down - maybe as football director we also should have kept Wigley in some way shape or from to look aftet the kids - and who know maybe even brought in Poortvliet to replace Georges Prost! as least that way we would have had some real direction and a vision to follow we might not have got promoted in the first two years on parachute payment - but we'd be in a much better position than we are now - financially strong and either pushing for promotion still - or actually promoted see its easy really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Lowe made a lots of mistakes when we got relegated - compounding the mistakes he made that got us relegated Lowe kept Redknapp and his cronies on board - real old school boys - and brought in Woodward and Clifford - who had a new way of doing things - so we were niether one thinhg nor the other - just a real mess! we just kept going down the middle and straight on to the rocks the other big mistake was with the team - we got rid of too many players - but at the same time we didn't get rid of enough we should have either kept the team together and given our all to have gone straight back up - or cleared out the lot and used it as an opportunity to rebuild the club from the ground up instead we let too many key players go - but still kept too many high earners - so we were stuck in a position where we were leaking money - but still had no chance of going up the ship was truly rudderless with Admiral Lowe at the helm! the Burley, Wilde, Hone, Hoos, Oldknow and spending the £7 million we didn't have mess is a whole different story though Lowe should take the blame for appointing Burley - although I think we all thought it was a good decision at the time! Once we were relegated we should have sacked Redknapp and his mates straight away, moved on all of the first team apart from Oakley, Prutton and Baird, put these 3 on new long term contracts, to cut our wage bill right back to manageable CCC levels We then should have brought in players like Brian Howard and Frank Simek on free transfers, and signed other like Hoyte, Kirkland and Le Tallec on loan We then should have brought through our youngsters like Surman, Griffit, Folly, Best, Blackstock, Jones, Mills and Cranie but put them on long term contracts so they couldn't be snatched away by other clubs we also should have appointed a technical or football director, brought in Woodward as Head of Sports Science, Clifford as skills coach and then made Glen Hoddle head coach Huw Jennings should also have been tied down - maybe as football director we also should have kept Wigley in some way shape or from to look aftet the kids - and who know maybe even brought in Poortvliet to replace Georges Prost! as least that way we would have had some real direction and a vision to follow we might not have got promoted in the first two years on parachute payment - but we'd be in a much better position than we are now - financially strong and either pushing for promotion still - or actually promoted see its easy really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 - we got rid of too many players - but at the same time we didn't get rid of enough Clear enough everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 - we got rid of too many players - but at the same time we didn't get rid of enough Clear enough everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Oh good, this again. For the 100 millionth time, Lowe gave Redknapp the funds for a striker, which Redknapp admitted, he didn't want to spend it all on Clinton Morrison, then he said his heart wasn't really in the job when he left. This money was then given to Burley to buy Rasiak, with the 2m agreed with the loan. These are facts, yet still people drone on about the 90k. 90k I point out, that was spent wisely on Fuller, who wasn't given a chance despite having plenty of potential in this league. I'm sorry but if Redknapp had money to spend he would have spent it, that's what Redknapp does best, that's all he does - spend money. The problem was Lowe handles all transfers so could always come up with a reason for a deal falling through, I remember hearing Redknapps interviews that summer - he was always miserable and frustrated. The idea that Morrison was the only player Redknapp would have wanted is just laughable. Also the 2mill for Rasiak only appeared after we had offloaded Walcott, Neimi and Quashie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 so many! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibden Purlieu Saint Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 I'm sorry but if Redknapp had money to spend he would have spent it, that's what Redknapp does best, that's all he does - spend money. The problem was Lowe handles all transfers so could always come up with a reason for a deal falling through, I remember hearing Redknapps interviews that summer - he was always miserable and frustrated. The idea that Morrison was the only player Redknapp would have wanted is just laughable. Also the 2mill for Rasiak only appeared after we had offloaded Walcott, Neimi and Quashie. Sorry mate, you're wrong, like 90% of the users on this damn forum. Any excuse to blame Lowe. It has been widely reported that Lowe had money available for Redknapp to use, but he felt we had a good enough team with just bringing in Fuller. Which to be fair looks to be correct, seeing as Higginbotham, Delap, Fuller, Jones, players at the time deemed not good enough, are in the prem. The reason the 2 million appeared after they had got rid of those players was WE WANTED TO LOAN RASIAK FIRST, TO MAKE SURE HE WAS A SOUND INVESTMENT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 Letting a novice take the first penalty in the play-offs! Mine would of been putting so much faith in Burley only to see it blow up in my face after 6 months of his abysmal tenure. i would go with that.. also, not backing arry the way he wanted as he would have done better in the prem then the following year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 I cannot believe lowe let redknapp have any money...after all, he does like to spend it more than most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 30 October, 2008 Share Posted 30 October, 2008 FWIW as this is all just raking over old ground: Biggest footballing mistake - losing the play-off semi to Derby. Biggest managerial mistake - keeping Redknapp after relegation. His heart wasn't in it and we needed someone who was up for the CCC challenge. Even GB from the start of that season would have been a preferable option (if he was available (I don't remember). Biggest financial mistake - Increasing the wage bill at the end of the parachute payments. We should have cut the wage bill dramatically by offloading a few higher earners such as II and not recruiting new high earners such as Euell. There have been plenty of others, but I reckon those are the biggest. Having said that it's easy to say a decision is wrong with hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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