It's not self motivation its a lack of self discipline.

[derry]

Lallana, McGoldrick and Robertson were like headless chickens. We had no shape up front and the three were playing like kids following a ball.

 

Lallana roams all over the place, looks pretty, dribbles in circles, can't shoot and doesn't threaten in the box. He is never in the vital areas when supposed to be playing wide, wide on the line, driving for the byeline, attacking the far post as the last man.

 

McGoldrick never gambles, would rather spectate, rarely takes responsibility, only shows effort in posession of the ball. He never goes on decoy runs and is only interested in receiving the ball. He scuffs rather than shoots cleanly, never tries to lift the ball over the diving keeper when one on one, and when he does hit the ball it ends up halfway up the stand.

 

Robertson couldn't trap a bag of cement, is not physical enough, lacks pace.

 

Nobody is much good at heading, but as we never get to the byeline to hit in crosses it hardly matters.

 

None of these players discipline themselves and are prepared to get into dangerous positions. They roam around all over the place, they are never in the dangerous position, to take a quick pass and drive forward at or outside the defence driving for the byeline.

 

Their lack of discipline allows the opponents to mass their defence and block us off.

[Whitey Grandad]

Lallana, McGoldrick and Robertson were like headless chickens. We had no shape up front and the three were playing like kids following a ball.

 

Lallana roams all over the place, looks pretty, dribbles in circles, can't shoot and doesn't threaten in the box. He is never in the vital areas when supposed to be playing wide, wide on the line, driving for the byeline, attacking the far post as the last man.

 

McGoldrick never gambles, would rather spectate, rarely takes responsibility, only shows effort in posession of the ball. He never goes on decoy runs and is only interested in receiving the ball. He scuffs rather than shoots cleanly, never tries to lift the ball over the diving keeper when one on one, and when he does hit the ball it ends up halfway up the stand.

 

Robertson couldn't trap a bag of cement, is not physical enough, lacks pace.

 

Nobody is much good at heading, but as we never get to the byeline to hit in crosses it hardly matters.

 

None of these players discipline themselves and are prepared to get into dangerous positions. They roam around all over the place, they are never in the dangerous position, to take a quick pass and drive forward at or outside the defence driving for the byeline.

 

Their lack of discipline allows the opponents to mass their defence and block us off.

In short, 'we're not very good'.

[Long Shot]

Lallana, McGoldrick and Robertson were like headless chickens. We had no shape up front and the three were playing like kids following a ball.

 

Lallana roams all over the place, looks pretty, dribbles in circles, can't shoot and doesn't threaten in the box. He is never in the vital areas when supposed to be playing wide, wide on the line, driving for the byeline, attacking the far post as the last man.

 

McGoldrick never gambles, would rather spectate, rarely takes responsibility, only shows effort in posession of the ball. He never goes on decoy runs and is only interested in receiving the ball. He scuffs rather than shoots cleanly, never tries to lift the ball over the diving keeper when one on one, and when he does hit the ball it ends up halfway up the stand.

 

Robertson couldn't trap a bag of cement, is not physical enough, lacks pace.

 

Nobody is much good at heading, but as we never get to the byeline to hit in crosses it hardly matters.

 

None of these players discipline themselves and are prepared to get into dangerous positions. They roam around all over the place, they are never in the dangerous position, to take a quick pass and drive forward at or outside the defence driving for the byeline.

 

Their lack of discipline allows the opponents to mass their defence and block us off.

 

I was also convinced BWP had popped off in the 2nd half for a swift pint. It was only when Tyler mentioned he had been marked out of the game by a 17 year old I remembered he was still on the pitch.

[broncoboy]

Lallana, McGoldrick and Robertson were like headless chickens. We had no shape up front and the three were playing like kids following a ball.

 

Lallana roams all over the place, looks pretty, dribbles in circles, can't shoot and doesn't threaten in the box. He is never in the vital areas when supposed to be playing wide, wide on the line, driving for the byeline, attacking the far post as the last man.

 

McGoldrick never gambles, would rather spectate, rarely takes responsibility, only shows effort in posession of the ball. He never goes on decoy runs and is only interested in receiving the ball. He scuffs rather than shoots cleanly, never tries to lift the ball over the diving keeper when one on one, and when he does hit the ball it ends up halfway up the stand.

 

Robertson couldn't trap a bag of cement, is not physical enough, lacks pace.

 

Nobody is much good at heading, but as we never get to the byeline to hit in crosses it hardly matters.

 

None of these players discipline themselves and are prepared to get into dangerous positions. They roam around all over the place, they are never in the dangerous position, to take a quick pass and drive forward at or outside the defence driving for the byeline.

 

Their lack of discipline allows the opponents to mass their defence and block us off.

 

 

But apart from that they play exciting football which is the envy of every other club in the league

[Long Shot]

But apart from that they play exciting football which is the envy of every other club in the league

 

 

It was interesting listening to Tyler and Goodman last night because they were full of praise for Saints at the start of the game and talked how exciting we have been this season and then it dawned on them half way through the second half (as it did me) its all very well playing this "exciting" football if it doesn't actually get you goals and win you matches. The table does not lie - exciting football has us in 20th position.

[VectisSaint]

In short, 'we're not very good'.

In short "we're crap", there thats even shorter than your "in short".

[Scudamore]

First time i've seen Lallana described as looking pretty...

[Window Cleaner]

I was also convinced BWP had popped off in the 2nd half for a swift pint. It was only when Tyler mentioned he had been marked out of the game by a 17 year old I remembered he was still on the pitch.

 

Well yes but the fact that he's even on the pitch is one of the biggest letdowns for me this season. Having to rely on BWP for goals...well it's just a joke. We play good football, we can't score and inexorably concede goals.

I'd sit Lallana for a few games and play Patterson and Robertson in attack, see what happens but until we get Morgan back we won't control the midfield and get the ball out quickly and accurately so it won't matter.

[70's Mike]

Well yes but the fact that he's even on the pitch is one of the biggest letdowns for me this season. Having to rely on BWP for goals...well it's just a joke. We play good football, we can't score and inexorably concede goals.

I'd sit Lallana for a few games and play Patterson and Robertson in attack, see what happens but until we get Morgan back we won't control the midfield and get the ball out quickly and accurately so it won't matter.

 

Disagree we DO NOT PLAY GOOD football , because as you say we can't score score and concede goals to about 1 in 20 crosses into our box.

Passing the ball around without hurting the opposition is not good football at any level let alone at a professional level

[Wade Garrett]

Disagree we DO NOT PLAY GOOD football , because as you say we can't score score and concede goals to about 1 in 20 crosses into our box.

Passing the ball around without hurting the opposition is not good football at any level let alone at a professional level

 

I agree. All this 'good football' is a bit Emperor's new clothes to me.

 

I was seething last night. Especially with Rupert on the pitch with JP and the new coach before the game. He just winds me up. Why didn't he just keep Pearson.

[SaintSteve]

Spot on. Unfortunately two of the three are 1st on the team sheet.. surely Jan can see these problems as its the same every week.

lallana needs to be told to drive into the box, not p*** about on the halfway line.

McGoldrick needs to be dropped to wake him up.

Robertson needs to be returned from whence he came.

[West End Saint]

I am sad to say I am in agreement with much of this thread I have been talking the boys up and enjoyed the pass and move and flicks in the hope that it would click and we will find the end product to go with the pretty football but I dont think it is going to happen

 

Lallana is a fantastic prospect but has not really delivered the last few games we have seen very little end product.

 

DMG could be a good player but will not put it in for the full 90 mins everything he trys has to be a bit Holywood why he wont just do the simple things I dont know

 

Robertson has been poor end of Patterson puts the work in but is not ready to lead our line.

 

We also take to long to attack other sides are in on our goal in 2 or 3 passes we are wide open to counter attacks and must toughen up all over the pitch or we will go down

[dubai_phil]

I was also convinced BWP had popped off in the 2nd half for a swift pint. It was only when Tyler mentioned he had been marked out of the game by a 17 year old I remembered he was still on the pitch.

 

Hey that was my line last night!

 

Otherwsie what Derry said was word for word what we felt in the pub last night, no self discipline and no shape going forwards. Does Lloyd James have reall bad halitosis? Because there NEVER seemed to be a Saints player in front of him last night on the right, can't think of another valid reason

[derry]

Hey that was my line last night!

 

Otherwsie what Derry said was word for word what we felt in the pub last night, no self discipline and no shape going forwards. Does Lloyd James have reall bad halitosis? Because there NEVER seemed to be a Saints player in front of him last night on the right, can't think of another valid reason

 

This is exactly what I'm talking about, as well as James played, going forward into a totally empty right side, with Lallana then McGoldrick or Robertson never moving over and providing width. By the time James got forward the whole of the opponents team was goalside.

 

I am beginning to think the coaches know damn all and are allowing Lallana and McGoldrick to do what they like.

 

Well, I for one am getting fed up week in week out with bloody great empty spaces on the right hand side, whilst the player supposed to be providing width is running in ever decreasing circles somewhere else.

 

It hasn't even dawned on the prats that the reason they haven't got someone wide to pass to, is because one of them is supposed to be wide for the early ball.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

We play good football, we can't score and inexorably concede goals...

... but until we get Morgan back we won't control the midfield and get the ball out quickly and accurately so it won't matter.

 

Remind me, how many good games has Morgan S actually played?

 

So where is this "good football" you talk about actually played?

 

Not up front;

Not in defence;

Without MS, not effectively in midfield;

When MS plays, sometimes in midfield;

Never when we are already behind

 

We are making "flatter to deceive" an artform.

 

The opposition must be be quaking in their boots.

[ottery st mary]

This is exactly what I'm talking about, as well as James played, going forward into a totally empty right side, with Lallana then McGoldrick or Robertson never moving over and providing width. By the time James got forward the whole of the opponents team was goalside.

 

I am beginning to think the coaches know damn all and are allowing Lallana and McGoldrick to do what they like.

 

Well, I for one am getting fed up week in week out with bloody great empty spaces on the right hand side, whilst the player supposed to be providing width is running in ever decreasing circles somewhere else.

 

It hasn't even dawned on the prats that the reason they haven't got someone wide to pass to, is because one of them is supposed to be wide for the early ball.

 

Bring back Thomson on this right side and give him some games and confidence...Problem solved.

[derry]

Bring back Thomson on this right side and give him some games and confidence...Problem solved.

 

Dyer, Thompson, Lallana, McGoldrick, James, Robertson, Surman, BWP, it doesn't matter they have to play wide.

 

When was the last time Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Inter, AC Milan etc ever play without attacking players wide on the touchline? NEVER!

 

So why do we think we can do it better than them, and play a revolutionary narrow formation?

[Charlie Wayman]

Lallana, McGoldrick and Robertson were like headless chickens. We had no shape up front and the three were playing like kids following a ball.

 

Lallana roams all over the place, looks pretty, dribbles in circles, can't shoot and doesn't threaten in the box. He is never in the vital areas when supposed to be playing wide, wide on the line, driving for the byeline, attacking the far post as the last man.

 

McGoldrick never gambles, would rather spectate, rarely takes responsibility, only shows effort in posession of the ball. He never goes on decoy runs and is only interested in receiving the ball. He scuffs rather than shoots cleanly, never tries to lift the ball over the diving keeper when one on one, and when he does hit the ball it ends up halfway up the stand.

 

Robertson couldn't trap a bag of cement, is not physical enough, lacks pace.

 

Nobody is much good at heading, but as we never get to the byeline to hit in crosses it hardly matters.

 

None of these players discipline themselves and are prepared to get into dangerous positions. They roam around all over the place, they are never in the dangerous position, to take a quick pass and drive forward at or outside the defence driving for the byeline.

 

Their lack of discipline allows the opponents to mass their defence and block us off.

 

Precisely and because we have experienced all season a drip, drip, drip of messages from Lowe and his cohorts about how wonderful it all is, many have started to believe it thus compounding their frustration when they discover in fact that they have been brain-washed by hyper-bullsh*t aimed at deflecting thetruth...

 

That we are a bankrupt club, bankrupt of ideas, bankrupt of skills and bankrupt of the guile and know-how to survive even in this SECOND DIVISION.

 

Time to Go Rupert Lowe!!!