What is wrong with America

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

No I read the Guardian articles. I agree I havent listened to your Gary Economics videos becuase they are long and I have actually listened to him talk about economics before. I therefore understand the guys stance and have taken my own independent view on him (not influencd by others)

But there were specific views in those videos...

But that's fine, your prefer to read and try to understand Tommy Robinson's views rather than Gary Stevenson's.

[Sir Ralph]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

But there were specific views in those videos...

But that's fine, your prefer to read and try to understand Tommy Robinson's views rather than Gary Stevenson's.

Yes but I understand Gary Economics views becuase I have watched videos about him. I dont just put my fingers in my ears, call the guy a prick because Dave down the pub told me he is. I dont need to watch every single video of each person to form a view of them.

[badgerx16]

16 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

This is exactly the problem. Why havent you listened to him to form a view? 

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I hold sn informed opinion about Hitler.

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I haven't read Mein Kampf, but I hold sn informed opinion about Hitler.

Becuase you got taught about him extensively in history lessons at school and probably from TV programmes and that he killed 6 million Jews as a fact. You have assessed the true evidence on him which includes videos of Auschwitz, pictures of torture camps, gas chambers, etc and the accounts of hundreds of people who suffered under him. 

They are very different. How have you formed your very strong view of Tommy Robinson? Its a fair question.

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[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 

They are very different. How have you formed your very strong view of Tommy Robinson? Its a fair question.

I used my brain.

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I used my brain.

Brilliant. So you havent formed your own view and are therefore ill informed to have such a strong opinion. If I was going to rattle off an opinion that strong about somebody, I would at least have listened to their view on matters. Unfortunately, this is the problem, people having very strong opinions about stuff they dont understand and havent looked into themselves.

Edited 1 hour ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Brilliant. So you havent formed your own view and are therefore ill informed to have such a strong opinion. If I was going to rattle off an opinion that strong about somebody, I would at least have listened to their view on matters. Unfortunately, this is the problem, people having very strong opinions about stuff they dont understand and havent looked into themselves.

It's reasonable to form a view from commentary alone that the bloke is obnoxious and doesn't stand for what I do. If I was interested and/or the bloke was vaguely relevant to me I'd investigate further, but I'm not and he isn't. It's no more complicated than that.

[Turkish]

Katy Hopkins is the one for me, I love the way shes held up by some on here as some sort of symbol as to the unstoppable rise of the far right in Europe when most people had forgotten she even existed. Genuinely the only reason I recognised her a while back because someone on here kept banging on about her. 

[badgerx16]

26 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Brilliant. So you havent formed your own view and are therefore ill informed to have such a strong opinion. If I was going to rattle off an opinion that strong about somebody, I would at least have listened to their view on matters. Unfortunately, this is the problem, people having very strong opinions about stuff they dont understand and havent looked into themselves.

We all form our own opinions based on selected sources, reviewed in the light of education, snd informed by experience. I don't have to explain myself to you. What makes your process of opinion forming superior to mine ? Do you really listen to or read every possible source before forming your opinion on anybody ? 

Edited 55 minutes ago by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

27 minutes ago, egg said:

It's reasonable to form a view from commentary alone that the bloke is obnoxious and doesn't stand for what I do. If I was interested and/or the bloke was vaguely relevant to me I'd investigate further, but I'm not and he isn't. It's no more complicated than that.

If you call someone a c bomb they probably are relevant as you have an opinion. Also, to hold an opinion on somebody like that I would do a bit more than read a single publication or listen to the BBC.

I had a negative view on him as a whole from listening to the BBC and other mainstream media outlets which I trusted at the time. Then I listened to what he said years ago about the BBC's manipulative editing and the rape gang crisis (well before anyone else was talking about these things) and thought, actually maybe the guy has a point on some matters. It transpires he did. I didnt realise that his cousin got hooked on heroin and was used by the rape gangs which is why he started highlighting the issue. The guy got hammered for highlighting the rape gang issues by 'mainstream politicians' and now look. So I would more likely call the mainstream media and 'mainstream politicians' cunts for ignoring what he was saying on that matter and letting hundreds or thousands of kids be groomed and raped. 

It doesnt mean I agree or support everything he has ever said or done, but at least I formed my own view based on evidence in relation to specific matters. 

Edited 38 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

14 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

If you call someone a c bomb they probably are relevant as you have an opinion. Also, to hold an opinion on somebody like that I would do a bit more than read a single publication or listen to the BBC.

I had a negative view on him as a whole but then I listened to what he said years ago about the BBC's manipulative editing and the rape gang crisis (well before anyone else was talking about these things) and thought, actually maybe the guy has a point on some matters. It transpires he did. I didnt realise that his cousin got hooked on heroin and was used by the rape gangs which is why he started highlighting the issue. The guy got hammered for highlighting the rape gang issues by 'mainstream politicians' and now look. So I would more likely call the mainstream media and 'mainstream politicians' cunts for ignoring what he was saying on that matter and letting hundreds or thousands of kids be groomed and raped. 

It doesnt mean I agree or support everything he has ever said or done, but at least I formed my own view based on evidence in relation to specific matters.

As I said, if I was interested or the bloke was vaguely relevant to me, I'd investigate further. He's just another bloke, and his life experiences, opinions, family history, etc, is as relevant to me as those of the bloke in front of me in the queue at the petrol station. If you're interested in a nobody, crack on, but don't expect me or others to take an interest just because you do. Utterly pointless discussion tbh. 

[Sir Ralph]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

As I said, if I was interested or the bloke was vaguely relevant to me, I'd investigate further. He's just another bloke, and his life experiences, opinions, family history, etc, is as relevant to me as those of the bloke in front of me in the queue at the petrol station. If you're interested in a nobody, crack on, but don't expect me or others to take an interest just because you do. Utterly pointless discussion tbh. 

I hope you dont call people in front of you at petrol stations cunts then. Next time take a view based on evidence.

Edited 32 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[egg]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

I hope you dont call people in front of you at petrol stations cunts then.

If they jumped the queue I might, but I haven't called him a cunt. 

[Sir Ralph]

Just now, egg said:

If they jumped the queue I might, but I haven't called him a cunt. 

[egg]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I'm not Badger poppet. 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

So Egg didn't call him a cunt.

All tyrants through history, whether monstrous, like Hitler and Putin, or petty, like Robinson, find a foundation for their rhetoric in perceived injustice and injury. Having something tangible to anchor to gives them something valid snd justifying to demonstrate to their followers, and to fall back on when challenged.

[Sir Ralph]

 

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

So Egg didn't call him a cunt.

All tyrants through history, whether monstrous, like Hitler and Putin, or petty, like Robinson, find a foundation for their rhetoric in perceived injustice and injury. Having something tangible to anchor to gives them something valid snd justifying to demonstrate to their followers, and to fall back on when challenged.

He agreed with it. Putting aside semantics, its the same.

Your statement is quite unbelievable. Maybe you think people who highlight rape gang issues are cunts. 'Perceived injustice and injury' - seriously fuck off. People that highlight young girls being targeted, hooked on drugs and raped in inexplicable ways have alternative agendas. Evidently another subject you know nothing about or otherwise you wouldnt make such stupid statements. Stop making ill informed statements when (self admittedly) you know nothing about this subject. Bye. 

Edited 10 minutes ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 

He agreed with it. Putting aside semantics, its the same.

Your statement is quite unbelievable. Maybe you think people who highlight rape gang issues are cunts. 'Perceived injustice and injury' - seriously fuck off. People that highlight young girls being targeted, hooked on drugs and raped in inexplicable ways have alternative agendas. Stop making ill informed statements when (self admittedly) you know nothing about this subject. Bye. 

Don't let the door hit your arse as you leave.

Edited 9 minutes ago by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Don't let the door hit yiur arse as you leave.

At least I dont think that grooming gang rape is 'perceived injustice and injury'. Your words. You are well out of your depth on this subject.

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