gjphilsaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Given the events of the last few weeks/months/years at saints I believe that a) relegation b) administration are both inevitable (But not necessarily in that order) Changing manager or indeed board will not change that this year. Sorry and obviously IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Given the events of the last few weeks/months/years at saints I believe that a) relegation b) administration are both inevitable (But not necessarily in that order) Changing manager or indeed board will not change that this year. Sorry and obviously IMHO. changing manager to someone who know what they are doing would at least give us a fighting chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Relegation inevitable? True. The season is nearly over over and we're thousands of points away from safety ffs!!! Oh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Rooney Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 True and True and old rosey cheeks wouldnt give a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Given the events of the last few weeks/months/years at saints I believe that a) relegation b) administration are both inevitable (But not necessarily in that order) Changing manager or indeed board will not change that this year. Sorry and obviously IMHO. I am inclined to agree, especially as Lowe has just thrown away our last big chance to change course by getting a new manager in during this break period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Given the events of the last few weeks/months/years at saints I believe that a) relegation b) administration are both inevitable (But not necessarily in that order) Changing manager or indeed board will not change that this year. Sorry and obviously IMHO. All things are possible, in all possible worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 From my limited knowledge of broadcasting rights, I believe the ''pot'' that is available from the Coca Cola leagues is split 70% Championship, 18% League 1 and 12% League two. Say we're getting just over £2m now, that would be reduced to around 500k in L1, Not as massive as the drop from Prem to Champ, but you get two years (well we did anyhow) of £7m parachute payments. We can't really afford to lose another £1.5m per season, because then we will be well and truly f*cked and have to sell to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I am inclined to agree, especially as Lowe has just thrown away our last big chance to change course by getting a new manager in during this break period. but if he did bin jan yesterday how long do you think it would take to get a new guy in? one that is better than what we have? one that will work for peanuts with monkeys? one that can magically get in players for no cost in the final few days of the window? Its been said many times on here already that the probable replacement will be Mark Wotte so there will probably be not much change other than more cash out of the door for JP's pay off. If what you want is relegation and administration in an attempt to get rid of Lowe and Co nd JP and Co so we can all start again with someone new who will do exactly what the fans want every 5 mins, why are you bothered that Lowe has done nothing to change the enevitable situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I think yes to both questions I have been saying for ages that if we are bottom 3 by the end of this month I expect us to go down I know it is not over by a long way but that is my gut feeling. If we go down and no new investment comes in i expect us to go into administration with reduced money from the league and reduced gates it has to happen. I hope I am wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 If what you want is relegation and administration in an attempt to get rid of Lowe and Co nd JP and Co so we can all start again with someone new who will do exactly what the fans want every 5 mins, why are you bothered that Lowe has done nothing to change the enevitable situation? That is a good question. Not sure there is a simple answer. Maybe a small part of me deep-down wanted Lowe to succeed and prove us all wrong and return us to former glories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Would it though? Say a manager many fans are happy about comes in..does the atmosphere at SMS change? Does everyone get right behind the team every game regardless of form? Because that's what it would take. The fans were singing about Lowe, not Jan. So a new manager under Lowe will surely lead to more of the same unrest whenever we're not winning. Wouldn't it?? Regarding the chanting about lowe, it would buy about a months time, I reckon. Enough to get 6 valuable points at home ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I'm not sure others felt the same. I did, for what it's worth. But now is all that matters, and more than ever I don't think the majority want Lowe to succeed. This is why I don't understand the new manager talk. It's a new manager under Lowe. Lowe who you (and I mean you as in, the majority) WANT to fail. So you're choosing a manager you want to fail?? I'm not understanding it. It's a difficult situation, but why bring in a manager you want to fail. Do people want us to stay up under Lowe? Honestly? An honest poll on it would be interesting. I'm not sure everyone would want us to. Say, for instance, the choices were a) dowie comes in under lowe, we survive. or b) persist we Jan, go down, into admin and lowe leaves. I know what you are saying. But having experienced the pain of us going down in 2005, I suppose short-term I really want to avoid that again. The fight against Lowe can be postponed for another day if needs be, even though it is a battle that for the long-term health of the club, must not be lost.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 That's what I'd rather see. Full support and all effort to avoid relegation/admin, then concentrate efforts on removing Lowe after the season, or once safe/once relegated. Perhaps no-one getting a season ticket, that would be warning enough to the rest of the board. Sound like a plan to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summers Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Bucket collections every game at SMS? if an attendance of £17k show up and all pay a quid, we could pay Skacel's and Saganowski's wages effectively for that one week ;-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 I know what you are saying. But having experienced the pain of us going down in 2005, I suppose short-term I really want to avoid that again. The fight against Lowe can be postponed for another day if needs be, even though it is a battle that for the long-term health of the club, must not be lost.. Blimey I actually agree with you 100%!!! I know i dont always disagree with you but on this occasion I think 1 of us might be possessed! I want Lowe to succedd because that means the club is succeeding. I wanted Wilde and Crouch to succeed too for the same reason. Over all I think Lowe is a royal pain in the arse with wrong decissions bing made at the wrong times. More division and unrest will be at our club while he is here and for those reasons I want him gone. Not as much for the other two but enough to want them out of the picture also. But on the whole I still want the team to win matches and to be pushing for the top of the table and not the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 That's what I'd rather see. Full support and all effort to avoid relegation/admin, then concentrate efforts on removing Lowe after the season, or once safe/once relegated. Perhaps no-one getting a season ticket, that would be warning enough to the rest of the board. I dont think the board need reminding as I think they are hiding behind Lowe. They have put him there for a reason IMO and I think that is because they know which direction the club is going and they would rather Lowe be the figure head that we can hate while we fall to peices. if by chance he pulls a rabbit out of the hat and we get better and head in the other direction it will take all of 5 mins for the cowards in the background to stand up and force Lowe out again. What good this will do the club is beyond me so we are still stuck looking for a white knight to ride in and clear the lot out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 but if he did bin jan yesterday how long do you think it would take to get a new guy in? one that is better than what we have? one that will work for peanuts with monkeys? one that can magically get in players for no cost in the final few days of the window? Its only the transfer window that close end Jan, the loan window is still available, and was used successfully last season by NP to bring in Perry and Lucketti. Who is to say that Lowe does not have an alternative plan in place (Hoddle?). A contract till the end of the season for someone does not necessarily have to be that expensive, especially if couple with a bonus for avoiding relegation, and the cost would be nothing compared to the reduction in revenue that would come with relegation to Division 3. Also, you should not assume that the squad are monkeys, I strongly believe that with a manager who knows what he is doing this squad boosted by a couple of experienced loanees could keep us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Its only the transfer window that close end Jan, the loan window is still available, and was used successfully last season by NP to bring in Perry and Lucketti. Who is to say that Lowe does not have an alternative plan in place (Hoddle?). A contract till the end of the season for someone does not necessarily have to be that expensive, especially if couple with a bonus for avoiding relegation, and the cost would be nothing compared to the reduction in revenue that would come with relegation to Division 3. Also, you should not assume that the squad are monkeys, I strongly believe that with a manager who knows what he is doing this squad boosted by a couple of experienced loanees could keep us up. But all your assumptions are based on us having enough money/backing to pay off JP and get someone else in. In an ideal world I would totally agree with you. If the money is there to get the likes of Hoddle in then why the hell are we not doing it? And you said it yourself the team needs something more although I do agree and think we could get more out of the current players with a different manager so maybe I was being harsh on the players. but we have known from the start that we need to strenghten in certain area's and there has been an attempt to do so in defence. I just think that any decission from now on with be firmly based on the cheapest option in the short term. The banks wont be looking long term so the club cant either. TBH I cant see many ways out of this mess now. Either the players on the pitch perform and get results or we sink to the bottom of the leagues. There doesnt seem to be any other options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 21 January, 2009 Share Posted 21 January, 2009 Regarding the chanting about lowe, it would buy about a months time, I reckon. Enough to get 6 valuable points at home ??? 9 home games left? A new manager promising exciting, attacking football and 5,000 extra on every home gate? That should be an extra £600k or so by the end of the season. Or have we been here before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjphilsaint Posted 21 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 21 January, 2009 (edited) I cannot believe that so many people still believe we will survive this mess bith financially and in football terms. I am no pessimist, we are wrecked and the only reason we have NOT gone into administration so far is because Lowe has been hoping for a 10point barrier to lessen the blow of points deduction. He now knows its gone and with it our chances of staying up. His final mistake will be to leave it until next season, by which we will have the points deducted in a lower league!!!!!! a & b inevitable QED Edited 21 January, 2009 by gjphilsaint ammended sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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