Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, egg said: Nope, this is as simple as Raging Bull saying that his beliefs make him feel freer. You said that's impossible which is bollocks, and something that you can possibly question. How we feel is personal and subjective. You're staggeringly arrogant if you feel able to say that another person cannot possibly have feelings that they feel. We still need to know what he thinks he is free from. Perhaps he is delusional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, hypochondriac said: Am I the only one who read this with a robotic tone? So you opted for the petty insult rather than a rebuttal to the point you quoted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: We still need to know what he thinks he is free from. Perhaps he is delusional? We don't, I don't care, it's not about me. Or you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, egg said: We don't, I don't care, it's not about me. Or you. At no point have I said he doesn't believe he is free from something. I've said... we don't know what he things he is free from and as we don't know what it is we can't determine if he actually is free from it or just delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: So you opted for the petty insult rather than a rebuttal to the point you quoted! Correct. Because I don't care about the asinine point you are attempting to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Correct. Because I don't care about the asinine point you are attempting to make. Explain why it is asinine? Because it really isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: At no point have I said he doesn't believe he is free from something. I've said... we don't know what he things he is free from and as we don't know what it is we can't determine if he actually is free from it or just delusional. Jeez, your arrogance and/or lack of understanding has gone up a notch. I can't believe you have actually said: "we can't determine if he actually is free from it or just delusional." We don't determine. We can't. It's not our place. Only he knows if he feels freer. It's a feeling. It's what humans have. He has a feeling of freedom from his belief. What's your test for determining if he is actually free? Obviously it'll be scientific. Please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) MLG, i believe you somehow have a girlfriend. Do you love her? Edited 23 July, 2020 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Turkish said: MLG, i believe you have somehow have a girlfriend. Do you love her? 1) Please try to not resort to petty insults 2) Yes, and I have an idea where you are trying to go with this and it is flawed Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Turkish said: MLG, i believe you have somehow have a girlfriend. Do you love her? But if he says he does or does not, we cannot determine if he actually does or does not love her. Hopefully his scientific 3rd party feeling test will help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Explain why it is asinine? Because it really isn't. It's my opinion that it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, egg said: What's your test for determining if he is actually free? Obviously it'll be scientific. Please explain. Until we know what he is claiming to be free from a test cannot be devised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) Just now, hypochondriac said: It's my opinion that it is. So a random opinion based on nothing? That is helpful to the discussion! Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, Matthew Le God said: So a random opinion based on nothing? That is helpful to the discussion! Who said it was random or based on nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, hypochondriac said: Who said it was random or based on nothing? Enlighten us then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Enlighten us then Who said I was trying to help any discussion you are desperate to have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: 1) Please try to not resort to petty insults 2) Yes, and I have an idea where you are trying to go with this and it is flawed It's very simple. You have called into question Raging Bill's ability to have a particular feeling. Turkish has questioned if you have a particular feeling. Seems a fair question in the circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 4 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Until we know what he is claiming to be free from a test cannot be devised. What a shit answer. Complete cop out. I'll help you out. There is no test. Nobody can or has any right to question if Raging Bull feels something or not. I get you don't agree with his beliefs, but that doesn't alter that he feels that his beliefs make him feel something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, egg said: It's very simple. You have called into question Raging Bill's ability to have a particular feeling. Turkish has questioned if you have a particular feeling. Seems a fair question in the circumstances. As we don't know what Raging Bull is saying he believes he is free from you can't make comparisons. Even if we did know it is unlikely to be comparable to love so is a complete non sequitur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, Matthew Le God said: As we don't know what Raging Bull is saying he believes he is free from you can't make comparisons. Even if we did know it is unlikely to be comparable to love so is a complete non sequitur. I don't think androids can feel love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, egg said: What a shit answer. Complete cop out. I'll help you out. There is no test. Nobody can or has any right to question if Raging Bull feels something or not. I get you don't agree with his beliefs, but that doesn't alter that he feels that his beliefs make him feel something. Utter nonsense 1) In order to formulate what a test should consist of you need to know what you are testing for 2) We don't live in a religious totalitarian state, so I do have the right to question him if I want to Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: As we don't know what Raging Bull is saying he believes he is free from you can't make comparisons. Even if we did know it is unlikely to be comparable to love so is a complete non sequitur. What's difficult to understand here? He feels freer from whatever he feels free from. That's a matter entirely for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, egg said: What's difficult to understand here? He feels freer from whatever he feels free from. That's a matter entirely for him. You can't make comparisons between two things if you only know what one of them is! 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: I don't think androids can feel love. Petty insult again... well done! You would be a credit to any debating society! Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, Matthew Le God said: You can't make comparisons between two things if you only know what one of them is! 🙄 Nobody is comparing, just you. The principle is identical - humans have feelings which they feel. Love, anger, jealousy, freedom, etc. What we all feel and why is subjective. You know exactly what Raging Bull is saying. It's obvious. I've explained it. Because you don't have his beliefs you feel that he can't have his own feelings. How you can suggest that a third party cannot possibly have feelings which they feel is beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 And on the eighth day God created MLG, so that he could test and challenge His people, and prove that freedom of thought and foregiveness of doubt are the greatest of His gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Petty insult again... well done! You would be a credit to any debating society! You love a mass debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, egg said: You know exactly what Raging Bull is saying. It's obvious. I've explained it. Because you don't have his beliefs you feel that he can't have his own feelings. Neither you or he have explained what he thinks he is free from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, hypochondriac said: You love a mass debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Neither you or he have explained what he thinks he is free from. Why do you care? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, hypochondriac said: Why do you care? Because some people in this thread are kinda having a discussion. You are just here and popping up with the occasional insult irrelevant to the subject matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: And on the eighth day God created MLG, so that he could test and challenge His people, and prove that freedom of thought and foregiveness of doubt are the greatest of His gifts. Praise be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: Because some people in this thread are kinda having a discussion. You are just here and popping up with the occasional insult irrelevant to the subject matter. I asked why you cared, not what you were doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: Neither you or he have explained what he thinks he is free from. Jeez. It doesn't matter! He feels freer from whatever. It's a feeling that he gets. It doesn't affect you, in the same way that if you love or don't love your girlfriend that it doesn't affect me. Do you understand the simple point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just out of interest, who here would actually want to go to heaven? I try not to think about the concept of infinity too much because by brain just can’t handle it and that would apply to any afterlife too. Even the most blissful paradise, where I get reunited with everyone I have loved dearest, would eventually become unbearable torture. I don’t mind the Hindu idea of reincarnation, not that I believe in it, but really I think ceasing to be self aware if probably the kindest thing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: Just out of interest, who here would actually want to go to heaven? I try not to think about the concept of infinity too much because by brain just can’t handle it and that would apply to any afterlife too. Even the most blissful paradise, where I get reunited with everyone I have loved dearest, would eventually become unbearable torture. I don’t mind the Hindu idea of reincarnation, not that I believe in it, but really I think ceasing to be self aware if probably the kindest thing for us. I have no opinion on it. I'm not sure whether there is a heaven, hell, or whatever. That said, anyone who doubts there's some kind of life beyond, has never done a ouija board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: Just out of interest, who here would actually want to go to heaven? It would be horrific. Like a celestial North Korea having to worship someone for eternity against your will. At least you can die and leave North Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, egg said: Anyone who doubts there's some kind of life beyond, has never done a ouija board. 🙄 Really? Are you seriously suggesting ouija boards are something other than utter bullshit? Leprechauns? Ghosts? Walking on water? Loch Ness Monster? Turning water into wine? Fairies? Is there anything you won't beleive? Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, egg said: I have no opinion on it. I'm not sure whether there is a heaven, hell, or whatever. That said, anyone who doubts there's some kind of life beyond, has never done a ouija board. Lol. You've lost me there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Lol. You've lost me there. If you ever do a ouija board you'll understand mate. Scared the shit out of me. Never again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: Just out of interest, who here would actually want to go to heaven? I try not to think about the concept of infinity too much because by brain just can’t handle it and that would apply to any afterlife too. Even the most blissful paradise, where I get reunited with everyone I have loved dearest, would eventually become unbearable torture. I don’t mind the Hindu idea of reincarnation, not that I believe in it, but really I think ceasing to be self aware if probably the kindest thing for us. In one sense we are all eternal; every atom in our bodies has existed since the Big Bang, and will continue to exist until whatever effective termination the Universe will undergo. What was once a dinosaur became a mammoth, and is now posting on SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, egg said: I have no opinion on it. I'm not sure whether there is a heaven, hell, or whatever. That said, anyone who doubts there's some kind of life beyond, has never done a ouija board. Ouija boards are just a consequences of subconscious muscle movements. I saw Darren Brown do a stunt once where he asked a volunteer to think of a shop or building and keep it to themselves. He then took their hand in the middle of the city and they lead him right too it, despite trying their hardest not to give away any hints or movements. Interesting psychology but nothing paranormal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: 🙄 Really? Are you seriously suggesting ouija boards are something other than utter bullshit? Leprechauns? Ghosts? Walking on water? Loch Ness Monster? Turning water into wine? Fairies? Is there anything you won't beleive? Ooh, MLG getting spiky...and personal. Bless you. I believe what I saw. And no I can't be arsed to get into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Leprechauns? Ghosts? Loch Ness Monster? Fairies? Is there anything you won't beleive? Did you actually have a childhood ? Edited 23 July, 2020 by badgerx16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, egg said: If you ever do a ouija board you'll understand mate. Scared the shit out of me. Never again. Sorry but it's nonsense. People can believe whatever they want if it gives them comfort I don't care but I don't need to do something lie that to know it's bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 Just now, badgerx16 said: Did you actually have a childhood ? Egg is not a child so that isn't really relevant. Believing in Ouija boards as an adult deserves questioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, Lighthouse said: Ouija boards are just a consequences of subconscious muscle movements. I saw Darren Brown do a stunt once where he asked a volunteer to think of a shop or building and keep it to themselves. He then took their hand in the middle of the city and they lead him right too it, despite trying their hardest not to give away any hints or movements. Interesting psychology but nothing paranormal. How does walking around a city compare to a board? Don't get me wrong, you may be right, all I know is it was freaky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, egg said: Ooh, MLG getting spiky...and personal. Bless you. I believe what I saw. And no I can't be arsed to get into it. That was not really personal, I said Ouija boards are bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 1 minute ago, hypochondriac said: Sorry but it's nonsense. People can believe whatever they want if it gives them comfort I don't care but I don't need to do something lie that to know it's bullshit. How it happens I appreciate is open to discussion. All I can say is things moved and it was weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 July, 2020 Share Posted 23 July, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, egg said: How does walking around a city compare to a board? Don't get me wrong, you may be right, all I know is it was freaky. Ouiji boards are a commercial game invented in the 1890s to make money out of the gullible. People make a fortune out of the gullible...! (so do churches) Edited 23 July, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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