What Is Happening To Our Country?

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

I’m not sure why people need the families permission to be angry at how the police carried out their duties on that fateful night. 
 

The crux of the matter that runs deep effects more than just their family. 

Yeah fuck the Southport parents I want to torch a police car

[Turkish]

2 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

I cannot get over the hypocrisy of it. 
 

When it was BLM (doing much worse btw) it’s important their voices are heard.
 

When it’s the white working class, it’s “divisive” and everyone should get back in their box. They can fuck off

Just don’t say anything about it on Facebook or twitter and you’re door will be through quicker than you can say “two tier policing”

[Osvaldorama]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

Yeah fuck the Southport parents I want to torch a police car

 

i was told riots are the voice of the unheard 

[Osvaldorama]

19 minutes ago, ecuk268 said:

National Insurance brings in another £174bn

You cannot tax your way to a prosperous and great society 

[The very right reverend]

16 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

And injuring 11 Police officers in a riot the victim's family didn't want helps how ?

It doesn't, police get injured all the time in left and right protests, not too sure what your point is, this hasn't happened in a vacuum, this is a learned behaviour by the police on an industrial scale.

The left, liberals and media class are genuinely surprised at the rise of the right, yet they made it, they made this by not listening and believing all creeds, colours and religions would submit to their ideology of eventually living and integrating and having all blended and mixed families, culture and religion doesn't work like that.

Nor has it ever.

The death of Henry Nowak was a systematic lack of courage to call out wrongdoings and simply act on an accusation, that is deeply disturbing and shows how bad not only the police are but also how some people are prepared to throw the race card knowing it works when they're plainly guilty, and the left are genuinely surprised, they should be apologising.

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15 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

I’m not sure why people need the families permission to be angry at how the police carried out their duties on that fateful night. 

Are you seriously suggesting that yesterday's nonsense was mostly about those police officers poor judgement?

[whelk]

12 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

i was told riots are the voice of the unheard 

They live in a democracy. I do understand why people are pissed off but trashing a neighbourhood is not any sort of answer

[rallyboy]

13 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

 

i was told riots are the voice of the unheard 

Well we've heard them now and they sound like cunts.

[whelk]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Are you seriously suggesting that yesterday's nonsense was mostly about those police officers poor judgement?

Starmer’s response to Farage’s question at PMQs just now was good

[Osvaldorama]

1 minute ago, rallyboy said:

Well we've heard them now and they sound like cunts.

Did you say the same about the BLM riots?

[Gloucester Saint]

6 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Did you say the same about the BLM riots?

When they started chucking statues into the harbour at Bristol, yes, I did.

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23 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

Did you say the same about the BLM riots?

I doubt you'll find any right minded person applauding any riots or rioters.

"Voice of the unheard". What bollox. We don't live in a dictatorship where the masses have to rise up.

A few coppers fucked up after a nasty cunt killed a lad. That, and the policies and societal shift which allowed it to happen, needs looking at. Everyone accepts that.

What we don't need is more nasty cunts doing nonsense, creating yet more division (word deliberately used because it's a genuine problem, despite your view).

Edited 28 minutes ago by egg

[Gloucester Saint]

40 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

I’m not sure why people need the families permission to be angry at how the police carried out their duties on that fateful night. 
 

The crux of the matter that runs deep effects more than just their family. 

They could actually show the parents some fucking respect though. But that was too much to ask for the mobs last night and at Southport (a lot of the same faces involved yet again).

But when the organisers are of this calibre, what else is to be expected?

https://metro.co.uk/2026/05/28/raise-colours-founder-billy-allison-charged-murder-bar-owner-28555599/

Edited 34 minutes ago by Gloucester Saint

[RedArmy]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

Are you seriously suggesting that yesterday's nonsense was mostly about those police officers poor judgement?

It’s about a wider problem of a two tier society and two tier justice, perpetuated by the police of which that one single incident has become a boiling point. 
 

At no point did I say the behaviour last night was justified. 
 

And unfortunately some people were more than likely there because brown man killed white man. 
 

 

[egg]

14 minutes ago, whelk said:

Starmer’s response to Farage’s question at PMQs just now was good

Thanks, just read that. Copied below:

Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, also asked about the Nowak murder.

He said:

Following the horrendous circumstances of Henry Nowak’s death, can I urge the prime minister to consider this?

It is now clear to growing millions in this country that we are living under two tier policing.

The instructions that are given to police officers from police bosses are clear and written down in ink. It says you must treat different ethnic groups in different ways.

Farage suggested that was behind “the upset and the anger at the circumstances of his death, the anger that you saw spilling out in Southampton last night”.

Some MPs jeered at Farage, saying he should condemn the violence.

Farage went on:

If the public lose trust in being treated fairly by the police, can he take some action to end this divisive practice of two-tier policing and make sure that all British citizens are treated the same?

Starmer said: “I don’t believe there’s two-tier policing in this country.”

And he said that he was “really shocked” by Farage’s approach. He said Farage pretended to respect Nowak’s family. But he was acting like this.

Starmer went on:

"The grieving family have asked us not to respond in the way that the leader of Reform has responded. They’ve asked us not to. They have lost their son in the most appalling circumstance. They make a simple plea of us as human beings to please not exploit that.

That is their plea to us. We all need to reflect on those words of Henry’s father.

My response – and the response of others, to be fair – has [been focused] on the lessons to be learned so we can deliver justice.

His response has been to appeal for rage.

That’s his response to a father who’s lost his son and asked for that not to happen.

Exploiting this tragedy to create grievance and division would be wrong in any circumstances, but to do it when the family are expressly saying please don’t is unforgivable. It shows who he is."

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3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

It’s about a wider problem of a two tier society and two tier justice, perpetuated by the police of which that one single incident has become a boiling point. 
 

At no point did I say the behaviour last night was justified. 
 

And unfortunately some people were more than likely there because brown man killed white man. 
 

 

That's different to your comment that protesters were "angry at how the police carried out their duties on that fateful night". Whilst this case highlighted serious issues needing urgent attention, there isn't two tier policing, that's populist language. 

I agree with the sentiment of your last paragraph, but would say that was the main reason. 

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

It’s about a wider problem of a two tier society and two tier justice, perpetuated by the police of which that one single incident has become a boiling point. 
 

At no point did I say the behaviour last night was justified. 
 

And unfortunately some people were more than likely there because brown man killed white man. 
 

 

On justice, the Manchester airport jury case I’ll give you, that made me angry.

Two tier overall? Nah. People got banged up for encouraging the 2011 rioters and not a peep about that. I’ve no time for Palestinian Action but they’re banned and proscribed so they could make the same argument the far right did yesterday and this morning. If someone incites a violent angry mob to burn a hotel down, they deserve every single day of a custodial sentence and should have had longer. 

Inspector Frost nailed it last night - the police have become too politicised and it’s probably gone slightly too much the other way in the courts as well since the Stephen Lawrence murder and corrupt investigation (Daniel Morgan and white victims suffered from it as well).

But we are talking debate and adjustments to policy, not mindlessly smashing up towns like Pompey fans did in 2004 after their home win v Saints. 

[RedArmy]

3 minutes ago, egg said:

 

I agree with the sentiment of your last paragraph, but would say that was the main reason. 

I wouldn’t say so, at least not the original gathering at the police station, but once it moved into portswood you’re always going to attract the local dregs and once battle lines get drawn things will turn ugly. 
 

As a result any chance of reasoned discussion on the wider issues that caused the police to act in the way they did will get stifled because the big bad wolf far right got violent and things will simmer under the surface until the next big incident and we can go round in circles again. 

[benjii]

Are there seriously swathes of white people who think they would rather be treated by institutions as if they were black / brown?

Careful what you wish for.

[egg]

5 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

I wouldn’t say so, at least not the original gathering at the police station, but once it moved into portswood you’re always going to attract the local dregs and once battle lines get drawn things will turn ugly. 
 

As a result any chance of reasoned discussion on the wider issues that caused the police to act in the way they did will get stifled because the big bad wolf far right got violent and things will simmer under the surface until the next big incident and we can go round in circles again. 

It don't move to portswood for peaceful protest. It moved for what we saw. I'm surprised there's dispute about that. 

The debate about the wider issues has begun, quite rightly, and I anticipate we'll see changes. Whether that gets stifled due to violence I'm unsure, but violence, often incited by a mixture of political opportunism and societal frustration (a benevolent choice of word), achieves absolutely nothing positive and only creates further divisions thus deepening the problem. 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, benjii said:

Are there seriously swathes of white people who think they would rather be treated by institutions as if they were black / brown?

Careful what you wish for.

I suspect that some of the people who think that there is a two tier system actually want a return to the two tier system of old/ that you allude to. 

[Osvaldorama]

28 minutes ago, egg said:

Thanks, just read that. Copied below:

Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, also asked about the Nowak murder.

He said:

Following the horrendous circumstances of Henry Nowak’s death, can I urge the prime minister to consider this?

It is now clear to growing millions in this country that we are living under two tier policing.

The instructions that are given to police officers from police bosses are clear and written down in ink. It says you must treat different ethnic groups in different ways.

Farage suggested that was behind “the upset and the anger at the circumstances of his death, the anger that you saw spilling out in Southampton last night”.

Some MPs jeered at Farage, saying he should condemn the violence.

Farage went on:

If the public lose trust in being treated fairly by the police, can he take some action to end this divisive practice of two-tier policing and make sure that all British citizens are treated the same?

Starmer said: “I don’t believe there’s two-tier policing in this country.”

And he said that he was “really shocked” by Farage’s approach. He said Farage pretended to respect Nowak’s family. But he was acting like this.

Starmer went on:

"The grieving family have asked us not to respond in the way that the leader of Reform has responded. They’ve asked us not to. They have lost their son in the most appalling circumstance. They make a simple plea of us as human beings to please not exploit that.

That is their plea to us. We all need to reflect on those words of Henry’s father.

My response – and the response of others, to be fair – has [been focused] on the lessons to be learned so we can deliver justice.

His response has been to appeal for rage.

That’s his response to a father who’s lost his son and asked for that not to happen.

Exploiting this tragedy to create grievance and division would be wrong in any circumstances, but to do it when the family are expressly saying please don’t is unforgivable. It shows who he is."

Baffled that anyone thinks that’s a good response. 

Starmer is a coward and a wanker. 
 

All he is doing by pretending this isn’t happening is ensuring that more murders and riots will happen in the future. 

[RedArmy]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

The debate about the wider issues has begun, quite rightly, and I anticipate we'll see changes. 

Changes by who?