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25 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

A bit of light relief. I’ll start.

The Racist’s Retreat

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Don’t worry, you’d be banned anyway.

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iansums

iansums

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4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

1974 Mk2. Oh hang on, Saints got relegated that year as well…

Two elections in one year, remember it well.

egg

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10 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Starmer withdrew the whip from people who voted against maintaining the two child benefit cap. A policy they opposed in opposition and promised to abolish. So you’re making MP’s who actually didn’t deceive the public face a bye election because A PM who did, decided they should. 
 

 

If for a sustained period an MP loses the whip, they cease to represent that party, so should face a bye election. They can then stand as an independent, and if their constituents want them, they're back in. A sustained period could be, say, 6 months which is more than long enough for a party to decide if it wants an MP back in the fold. 

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Gloucester Saint

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7 minutes ago, iansums said:

Two elections in one year, remember it well.

1976 would have been better from a football perspective…summer certainly a hot one.

Sadly the JPT is closest I got to seeing them win a major trophy and I’m not far off 50.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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19 minutes ago, egg said:

Surely it'd be a Reform/Tory coalition with a slim majority? Grim prospect, but sell the point that Farage is an English Trump, and people will hopefully come to their senses. 

They'd be short of a majority on those projected figures I think. 

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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32 minutes ago, egg said:

Interesting. An MP is usually voted due to the party they represent rather than who the are as an individual, so I'm very much of the view that if they defect them have a bye election. Ditto if they lose the whip for a sustained period. 

It’s a no brainer. The party candidates campaign on their party’s manifesto. No one voted Honest Bob in on the Reform manifesto. If that is what they want now they should vote for it.

Duckie would soon change his tune if his local MP defected to the Sharia Law Party.

Back to the pub

The Failed Tories Return

The Migrants End

 

 

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The Kraken

The Kraken

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4 minutes ago, egg said:

If for a sustained period an MP loses the whip, they cease to represent that party, so should face a bye election. They can then stand as an independent, and if their constituents want them, they're back in. A sustained period could be, say, 6 months which is more than long enough for a party to decide if it wants an MP back in the fold. 

In general I agree with you. Duck makes a reasonable point though, it’s not quite that cut and dried. But I do believe that if you voluntarily leave the party to defect to another then it should trigger a by-election. But I’m sure there would still be more loopholes to be found.

Lord Duckhunter

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People moan about MP’s being lobby fodder so what’s going to happen if they face by elections if they’ lose the whip. That’s one way to get MP’s to vote on party lines & stop independent thinking. 
 

If MP’s want to stand in a by elections as Carswell & Reckless did, that’s great. If they don’t, like Soubry & Gove didn’t, that’s up to them, they’ll face the electorate eventually. I don’t recall Soggy calling for Corbyn to face a by election…

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The Kraken

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An extremely simplistic response would be…..If you voluntarily leave the party, it’s a by election. If you get the whip taken away, you can stay put as an MP but only as an independent. Granted, if the “independent” does a Jenrick and gets themself sacked then they’re just going to follow the line of the party they want to join, so it’s a bit of a worthless move. So I’ll just remain being Peter O’hanrahanrahan, I don’t like it but I’ll have to go along with it.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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Although we say we're going to vote for party x, y or z isn't it the case that we're technically voting for a candidate? They may represent one party, and voters may vote on that basis. But they are actually voting for that person. So, if they no longer represent that party, they are still the winning candidate. Therefore, there's no requirement for a by-election.

For similar reasons to Kraken and LD, it's not perfect, but I'm okay with it. 

 

The Kraken

The Kraken

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20 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Although we say we're going to vote for party x, y or z isn't it the case that we're technically voting for a candidate? They may represent one party, and voters may vote on that basis. But they are actually voting for that person. So, if they no longer represent that party, they are still the winning candidate. Therefore, there's no requirement for a by-election.

For similar reasons to Kraken and LD, it's not perfect, but I'm okay with it. 

 

Technically, yes.  Realistically, absolutely not in the majority of cases.

You would have to be really engaged in local politics to know what your local MP is all about and how they’ll go about it.  Given how much the main parties whip their MPs to just vote per party policies, there’s not too many Dennis Skinners around any more who vote with their principles first. I’d not trust any MP aligned to a major party to vote their own wishes first, they’ll get booted out before that.

It would be great if every single vote in parliament were down to the MP but it’s a sad reality that we are miles away from that, and have been for ages. I’m ok with it only in that I can’t do much about it.

 

 

Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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Corbyn, Farage and Starmer are all planks - who would have guessed it?

Corbyn is a sideshow at best now but quite how Farage and Starmer’s offices managed not to declare those on time with the resources they have is astonishing. You’d think the expenses scandal circa 15 years ago would have been a learning point. Farage was a big breach as well.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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23 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Careful, Soggy wanted 2 of the said Planks to be PM. 

I think you'll find that Starmer and Corbyn's were simple oversight from people of integrity, devoting all their thoughts to making the world a better place. While Farage didn't declare as he was on a pub crawl with Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins. 🙂

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tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Careful, Soggy wanted 2 of the said Planks to be PM. 

I wonder who is more obsessed with SOG ?

Nutty Nic or Duck, close run thing but Duck edges it as he can reply more and comments on everything SOG posts..

🤣

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Weston Super Saint

Weston Super Saint

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1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

I wonder who is more obsessed with SOG ?

Nutty Nic or Duck, close run thing but Duck edges it as he can reply more and comment on everything SOG posts..

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I suspect SOG is more obsessed with SOG than anyone else on this board ;) 

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sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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3 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

I wonder who is more obsessed with SOG ?

Nutty Nic or Duck, close run thing but Duck edges it as he can reply more and comments on everything SOG posts..

🤣

I’m guessing that I have touched a nerve. Having come out in support of Trump’s shill they can’t back down so they have to double down on their position.

History will show that Trump, Farage and Netanyahu are no better than Putin. They must be feeling just like  the editorial team at the Daily Mail back in the 40’s when the penny dropped that Hitler was a wrong’un.

I have another pub name -

The Duckhunter and Snapdragon

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sadoldgit

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4 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Corbyn, Farage and Starmer are all planks - who would have guessed it?

Corbyn is a sideshow at best now but quite how Farage and Starmer’s offices managed not to declare those on time with the resources they have is astonishing. You’d think the expenses scandal circa 15 years ago would have been a learning point. Farage was a big breach as well.

The issue here is that Farage is presenting his party as different to the same old same old of the Tories and Labour and people say they want a change to something different.

Reform are no different, in fact every time another Tory defects to them they become just like the rest, but with even worse party members.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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Farage - World would be better with America owning it but Greenlanders should have the right of self-determination if you believe in Brexit.

Yeah, right Nigel, that’s coherent then.

Presumably you didn’t use a computer for that little nugget of wisdom?

#NigelRedknapp

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