Saint Fan CaM Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I was thinking about the timing of the early bird and what the implications to the club might be this year. I have decided not to renew my ST - certainly not at early bird time and probably not until Lowe/Wilde/Wotte leave the club (which could be a long time). I think there are possibly many others like me which means that revenue from ST's could plummet. If this happens AFTER the March deadline for posting administration, we could be in the brown stuff big time next season. So I wondered whether the club might offer early bird even earlier this year to get an early picture - likely or not? Incidentally, I think not renewing at early bird will send a MUCH bigger message to the PLC Board and the bank, than marching through the City (not that that was a bad idea). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 If i remember rightly,then we had about 9500 ST holders this season. Next season if there are no changes in the Chairman,boardroom,manager etc, just for arguements sake,lets say we are still in the Championship,then i think we will be less than 5000 ST holders.If we are relegated,then i think 3000 will be nearer the figure. The way Lowe runs things,i think nothing will change. Either way it doesnt look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 (edited) None knows but I reckon SFC could easily lose 1/3 of it's ST holders (down to around 6k) next season with total attendances reduced to around 10-12k per game in our League 1 future - assuming no dramatic improvement in team performance/results in the next few weeks . This will mean matchday income will have fallen by a disastrous 50% or so in just two seasons ( lets call it the 'Rupert Effect' ) undermining much of the painful cost-cutting the club has undertaking since last summer and returning us virtually back to 'square one' financially . My very rough 'back of an envelope' calculations : Fall in matchday attendances = 12k (compared to 2007/8 season) Ave' matchday spend per fan = £22 (conservative estimate) £22 X 12000 fans X 24 Games = £6m less income per season .* Now the fall in income may be a little less than the reduction in expenditure but the price is we're playing our football down in the 3rd Division and the only real hope of saving this business - a return to the Premier League - is years or even decades away . It will be a decision for our creditors ('stakeholders') whether it's worth their while supporting this loss making business indefinitely with little or no prospect of a return to profitability , or just cut their losses and call in the Administrator . * Takes no account of any reduction in ticket prices or TV/other income . Edited 7 February, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 To a degree, I don`t see how the club can do an "Early Bird" offer. If/when we are relegated, the price in League One will have to be considerably lower than at present. Until we know for certain where we will be next year how can they come up with realistic pricing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 after 25years as a season ticket holder,it breaks my heart that i wont be renewing next year.but there comes a time when you have got to make a stand.until these goons have gone i urge everyone to send back there forms with a message saying they wont renew til they are gone.enough is enough.coyr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Lowe will be waiting for two consecutive wins before annoucing the march maddness/early bird deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 Lowe will be waiting for two consecutive wins before annoucing the march maddness/early bird deals. hes got a long wait then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 lowe will be waiting for two consecutive wins before annoucing the march maddness/early bird deals. 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harwellsaint Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 i want to renew as i love going to see the saints, but i also want lowe out , i think the phrase is "by the short and curlys" please help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeg Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 after 25years as a season ticket holder,it breaks my heart that i wont be renewing next year.but there comes a time when you have got to make a stand.until these goons have gone i urge everyone to send back there forms with a message saying they wont renew til they are gone.enough is enough.coyr count me in as well - no chance of a renewal until these clowns have gone - when that happens I'll be straight up there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 7 February, 2009 Share Posted 7 February, 2009 I wont renew this year unless things change. I was dissapointed to lose my seat in the kingsland north and dissapointment is to weaker word to use in regards to this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 8 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 8 February, 2009 Thanks for the reply guys. Like most, I cannot see any other way to oust Lowe than to starve the bank account. I would like to propose to all ST holders to wait until AFTER March madness and early bird to renew. This will hurt Lowe and Wilde, but not necessarily hurt the club long-term. With Lowe and Wilde gone and a decent managerial set-up in place, I feel sure fans will flood back in to support the club and ensure survival financially. ST HOLDERS ARE THE KEY - LETS WORK AS ONE - LETS GET LOWE AND WILDE OUT! (If you want to renew then do so, but do it late - not early) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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St Marco Posted 8 February, 2009 Share Posted 8 February, 2009 To a degree, I don`t see how the club can do an "Early Bird" offer. If/when we are relegated, the price in League One will have to be considerably lower than at present. Until we know for certain where we will be next year how can they come up with realistic pricing? Indeed plus the club will have to justify those prices. The club will with all due respect be playing in division 3, up against the likes of Hartlepool,Yeovil,Brighton etc etc. A far cry from playing teams like Man Utd every week. Personally i would rather put my cash into some sort of project to remove Lowe and his friends once and for all then pay for a season ticket at the price we have for the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 8 February, 2009 Share Posted 8 February, 2009 early bird must be a dead duck until we know what division we are in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 8 February, 2009 Share Posted 8 February, 2009 We had twelve season tickets in our group, this season that dropped down to eight ! I have now spoken to all eight people and not one is going to renew until Lowe and Wilde have gone. I have had my season ticket for over 20 years enough is enough. We are all willing to disclose customer numbers if this helps in anyway ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2009 We had twelve season tickets in our group, this season that dropped down to eight ! I have now spoken to all eight people and not one is going to renew until Lowe and Wilde have gone. I have had my season ticket for over 20 years enough is enough. We are all willing to disclose customer numbers if this helps in anyway ? Fantastic - that's the spirit. This is just what is needed to oust Lowe and Co. Starve the bank account and send a big message to whoever is listening that Agent Lowe and The Quisling are no longer wanted. Agent Lowe and his wacky, idiotic plans to revolutionise CCC football with outdated 1970's tactics have put the final nails in the SFC coffin. Let's get rid of the two of them and the other bloodsuckers for good - ST HOLDERS UNITE FOR A BETTER FUTURE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 I am undecided at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pheonix Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 We have 8 season tickets and were are not renewing any of them unless Lowe goes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 February, 2009 We have 8 season tickets and were are not renewing any of them unless Lowe goes! Well done - another example of a truly dedicated supporter that puts the clubs future before himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 Just a thought - isn't the club more attractive to investors with more season ticket holders? So by not renewing people might just be making it more likely that Lowe will stay? I'm playing devil's advocate here but while I can understand not wanting to renew because the standard of football is sh!te, as a "Lowe Out" strategy any form of boycott is surely ultimately self defeating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 Just a thought - isn't the club more attractive to investors with more season ticket holders? So by not renewing people might just be making it more likely that Lowe will stay? I'm playing devil's advocate here but while I can understand not wanting to renew because the standard of football is sh!te, as a "Lowe Out" strategy any form of boycott is surely ultimately self defeating? Sadly, what other form of positive action do the fans have? Although I was originally against boycotts or not buying ST`s I have come to the conclusion that it is the only way to make our opinions felt.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 Its sad to see S?T holders deserting us.I myself will look at it in a financial way.I know i will go whatever league we are in, therefore taking advantage of early bird is saving money and so 2 tickets are going to be sold as long as the deal is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 Its sad to see S?T holders deserting us.I myself will look at it in a financial way.I know i will go whatever league we are in, therefore taking advantage of early bird is saving money and so 2 tickets are going to be sold as long as the deal is fair. But how do you know what is fair? As I said earlier on, prices in League 1will be considerably lower than ours at present. Until we know what division we are in, how do they know what to charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 But how do you know what is fair? As I said earlier on, prices in League 1will be considerably lower than ours at present. Until we know what division we are in, how do they know what to charge?I will make my judgement and take the action that is fair by me.I did the same in the relegation season.I will go next season and if the prices are set then I will be quids in. If the club set prices at a quid fans would moan that thye should be 80p. I went and watched Bournemouth v Luton and that was dire in quality and it was £16 in the away section which is tucked away by a corner flag on the side, therefore £20ish quid per game would seem the going price in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 I will make my judgement and take the action that is fair by me.I did the same in the relegation season.I will go next season and if the prices are set then I will be quids in. If the club set prices at a quid fans would moan that thye should be 80p. I went and watched Bournemouth v Luton and that was dire in quality and it was £16 in the away section which is tucked away by a corner flag on the side, therefore £20ish quid per game would seem the going price in L1. I was given a free ticket for Bournemouth v Gillingham and left with 20 minutes to go as it was appalling standard and I had a bad neck looking up all the time with all the hoofball. God help us next season in league 1. At present there is no way I am renewing my 2 STs as I just come away angry/frustrated and not enjoying what this management are serving up and feel £500+ is a joke for the way we have been treated. I am not saying I will not go again just at the moment am to angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 I was given a free ticket for Bournemouth v Gillingham and left with 20 minutes to go as it was appalling standard and I had a bad neck looking up all the time with all the hoofball. God help us next season in league 1. At present there is no way I am renewing my 2 STs as I just come away angry/frustrated and not enjoying what this management are serving up and feel £500+ is a joke for the way we have been treated. I am not saying I will not go again just at the moment am to angry.I know i wont turn my back on the club and as I well know Im a self inflicted victim.Therefore i will probably buy an early bird as it will save money.Although as i missed a couple of games thins seaosn it would probably have been cheaper to buy match to match.The problem is I like the people who sit near me and dont wish to risk not being where I normally am. Early bird of course may nit be offered this season. The club may say they 'to be fair' will wait and see what division we are in when being cynical they know that to offer early bird they would have to lower prices in case we go down.Wheras if we stay up the admission charges will be the same as now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 I know i wont turn my back on the club and as I well know Im a self inflicted victim.Therefore i will probably buy an early bird as it will save money.Although as i missed a couple of games thins seaosn it would probably have been cheaper to buy match to match.The problem is I like the people who sit near me and dont wish to risk not being where I normally am. Early bird of course may nit be offered this season. The club may say they 'to be fair' will wait and see what division we are in when being cynical they know that to offer early bird they would have to lower prices in case we go down.Wheras if we stay up the admission charges will be the same as now. Will THEY still be there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 9 February, 2009 Share Posted 9 February, 2009 Will THEY still be there?I have spoken to a few and like myself they say they will. I myself would like the Northam to relocate to the Chapel and make a proper Kop end. we must be the only club without a real 'End' for the team to kick to. Our singing support is diluted in small pockets. To have one whole end would be awesome and only a small percentage of fans need to be next to the away fans to hurtle abuse at. The Chapel if it had the vocla support all congregated there would be a great sight to behold and the team would have a 12th man to bring the team home.Are there any other clubs where the fans are more intent to sit by the away supporters rather than stand altogether to really crank up the atmopsphere??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 10 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Just a thought - isn't the club more attractive to investors with more season ticket holders? So by not renewing people might just be making it more likely that Lowe will stay? I'm playing devil's advocate here but while I can understand not wanting to renew because the standard of football is sh!te, as a "Lowe Out" strategy any form of boycott is surely ultimately self defeating? This club is NEVER going to be sold under the current corporate arrangements - people need to understand this and how Lowe and Wilde are running things. So simply forget the club being bought - it ain't gonna happen (unless we enter administration and the shares are liquidated). Every single remaining ST holder has a duty to the club NOT to renew EARLY! Sure, buy your ST later if you feel the need, but ignoring the March Madness will send a MASSIVE message of discontent to Lowe, Wilde, all shareholders and most importantly the bank. It could be the turning point in finally sorting the club out before it completely dies at the hands of Lowe and Wilde. Remember, they're in it for their shares and the salaries they draw - they do not care about the traditions of the club one jot. Simple message - IF YOU LOVE SFC, DO SOMETHING POSITIVE AND DELAY RENEWAL OF YOUR ST! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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