sadoldgit Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 One of Lowe's great failings apparently is that he isn't a "football person". Given that both Wilde and Crouch probably know as much about football as I and don't get the same critisismthen I am not sure how important that is, but anyway... One of Lowe's decisions seemed to be based on sound football logic. Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. Didn't it make sense therefore to give him a coaching job? Yesterday we gave away three goals in 18 minutes from set pieces by schoolboy defending. You would think quite reasonably that Killer is involved in coaching the defence. Killer is a football person. Whilst Lowe continues to get flak for being, well, Lowe and Wotte for not getting us out of this mess, having dodgy hair and being Dutch, does that mean that Killer is immune from criticism for being a playing legend? Our defending is awful. Shouldn't the coaching staff be in the firing line too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 Yawn. This boring and should be consigned to history. Move on SOG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 Our defending is awful. Shouldn't the coaching staff be in the firing line too? yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delmary Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 Yawn. This boring and should be consigned to history. Move on SOG.Agree. Been done to death:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 One of Lowe's great failings apparently is that he isn't a "football person". ? Given the amount of time Lowe was involved I would suggest he is a football person now. It was just his decision making, PR skills, and people skills that were poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 One of Lowe's great failings apparently is that he isn't a "football person". Given that both Wilde and Crouch probably know as much about football as I and don't get the same critisismthen I am not sure how important that is, but anyway... One of Lowe's decisions seemed to be based on sound football logic. Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. Didn't it make sense therefore to give him a coaching job? Yesterday we gave away three goals in 18 minutes from set pieces by schoolboy defending. You would think quite reasonably that Killer is involved in coaching the defence. Killer is a football person. Whilst Lowe continues to get flak for being, well, Lowe and Wotte for not getting us out of this mess, having dodgy hair and being Dutch, does that mean that Killer is immune from criticism for being a playing legend? Our defending is awful. Shouldn't the coaching staff be in the firing line too? Well not if they spend time practising defending corners and the players do something different during games. Concedeing a goal after a minute must be devastating but Wotte did tell them Wolves would be at them from the start apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 The coaching staff clearly are in the firing line, or are your faculties too dimmed to notice? What on earth this has to do with hinting at the Lowe-inverse-class-snobbery argument is anyone's case. YAWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 One of Lowe's great failings apparently is that he isn't a "football person". Given that both Wilde and Crouch probably know as much about football as I and don't get the same critisismthen I am not sure how important that is, but anyway... One of Lowe's decisions seemed to be based on sound football logic. Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. Didn't it make sense therefore to give him a coaching job? Yesterday we gave away three goals in 18 minutes from set pieces by schoolboy defending. You would think quite reasonably that Killer is involved in coaching the defence. Killer is a football person. Whilst Lowe continues to get flak for being, well, Lowe and Wotte for not getting us out of this mess, having dodgy hair and being Dutch, does that mean that Killer is immune from criticism for being a playing legend? Our defending is awful. Shouldn't the coaching staff be in the firing line too? It might make sense, but it's still a gamble to put someone with no coaching experience in charge of coaching a demoralised team comprised mainly of youngsters in dire need of guidance from someone with coaching experience. Maybe Killer will make a good coach some day, but is this really the time and situation to be testing that theory out. The same level of gamble as putting two Dutch coaches with zero championship experience in charge of the whole operation. It's the same sort of gamble that Lowe's been unsuccessfully inflicting on this club at various points in the last 13 or so years. The sort of gamble that's had Lowe thinking "If it pays off, I'll be heralded as a visionary, an insightful leader in the world of football". This despite the fact that the most successful periods at the club under Lowe's tenure were with an experienced manager in charge.....but anyway that's been done to death. Back to your original point - No Killer should not be free from criticism, but he should also not have been given such a high profile, high pressure job as his first coaching role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopkins Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 Can we please get away from the idea that Lowe decided everything while he was at the club? Just because he is in charge doesn't mean he comes up with every idea and decides which ones to put in place. Maybe Wotte had some input too about Killer being a coach. Another thing I hate is the idea Lowe is responsible for our signings this season. He's not. We have scouts, coaches etc that would decide who they want to bring in, but if you read this site its like Lowe has scouted out the likes of Smith, Wotton etc and bought them in. All he's done is completed the deal with negotiations and stuff. This site is ridiculous for blaming Lowe for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. What are/were his coaching attributes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULACZT Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 What are/were his coaching attributes? 70 ish games since 2002 = Legend ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 What are/were his coaching attributes? I would have thought he could organise how to defend a corner. ie the defender should try to get to the ball before the attacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 I would have thought he could organise how to defend a corner. ie the defender should try to get to the ball before the attacker I'm sure he could organise himself at a corner, but does this automatically translate into being able to pass it on and coach others to do the same? Gazza was a right little maestro in the middle of the park ......... Bobby Moore was a sensational centre half ........... Mark Dennis was a tenascious full back ........... etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 I'm sure he could organise himself at a corner, but does this automatically translate into being able to pass it on and coach others to do the same? Gazza was a right little maestro in the middle of the park ......... Bobby Moore was a sensational centre half ........... Mark Dennis was a tenascious full back ........... etc etc etc So are you saying Svennson has no idea how to coach or is this just a hypothetical post. Mind you I would be suprised if Gazza or Dennis would be recruited to SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scally Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 So are you saying Svennson has no idea how to coach or is this just a hypothetical post. Mind you I would be suprised if Gazza or Dennis would be recruited to SFC. A great player does nt always make a great coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 So are you saying Svennson has no idea how to coach or is this just a hypothetical post. Mind you I would be suprised if Gazza or Dennis would be recruited to SFC. Gazza and Mark Dennis are in the team next season...Both football people.. When you have had it you never lose it. Just ask some posters due to play at St Marys soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 A great player does nt always make a great coach. I know but organising how to defend a corner cannot be rocket science Hansen can and he is not a coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 So are you saying Svennson has no idea how to coach or is this just a hypothetical post. I'm just saying that the qualities you highlighted earlier have little bearing on what makes a good coach. That's all. Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 I'm just saying that the qualities you highlighted earlier have little bearing on what makes a good coach. That's all. Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. Yes I totally agree and not having him was one of the reason why were relegated from the Premiership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 I know but organising how to defend a corner cannot be rocket science Hansen can and he is not a coach imo Killer does no how to organize how to defend a corner problem, as i saw first hand yesterday was certain players could not be bother or were not motivated to bother. We have a few who flatter to decieve , they arrive just a bit late make lots of hand and arm movements but good defenders and midfield players need to put their bodies on the line OURS DO NOT. Benali was never even a good footballer but he made as many last gasp blocks as MLT scored goals we do not have that now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 One of Lowe's great failings apparently is that he isn't a "football person". Given that both Wilde and Crouch probably know as much about football as I and don't get the same critisismthen I am not sure how important that is, but anyway... One of Lowe's decisions seemed to be based on sound football logic. Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. Didn't it make sense therefore to give him a coaching job? Yesterday we gave away three goals in 18 minutes from set pieces by schoolboy defending. You would think quite reasonably that Killer is involved in coaching the defence. Killer is a football person. Whilst Lowe continues to get flak for being, well, Lowe and Wotte for not getting us out of this mess, having dodgy hair and being Dutch, does that mean that Killer is immune from criticism for being a playing legend? Our defending is awful. Shouldn't the coaching staff be in the firing line too? Another classic blame deflection tactic. Killer can only work with what he has been given. And he has been given no proper full-backs, for a start. You cant polish a turd, and I find it a disgrace you are trying to blame Killer to absolve your Messiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 One of Lowe's great failings apparently is that he isn't a "football person". Given that both Wilde and Crouch probably know as much about football as I and don't get the same critisismthen I am not sure how important that is, but anyway... One of Lowe's decisions seemed to be based on sound football logic. Killer was a class centre half, great servant to the club and an all round saints legend. Didn't it make sense therefore to give him a coaching job? Yesterday we gave away three goals in 18 minutes from set pieces by schoolboy defending. You would think quite reasonably that Killer is involved in coaching the defence. Killer is a football person. Whilst Lowe continues to get flak for being, well, Lowe and Wotte for not getting us out of this mess, having dodgy hair and being Dutch, does that mean that Killer is immune from criticism for being a playing legend? Our defending is awful. Shouldn't the coaching staff be in the firing line too? Our early defending is awful, we're known in the whole wide world for it. Opposing sides know that if the turn up the wick really early on we'll probably crumble.Why?? I have absolutely no idea, I would think it's something to do with the mental state of the players rather than the actual football coaching itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 11 April, 2009 The coaching staff clearly are in the firing line, or are your faculties too dimmed to notice? What on earth this has to do with hinting at the Lowe-inverse-class-snobbery argument is anyone's case. YAWN Oh, I must have missed the flak going their way then....yawn.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stthrobber Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 Another classic blame deflection tactic. Killer can only work with what he has been given. And he has been given no proper full-backs, for a start. You cant polish a turd, and I find it a disgrace you are trying to blame Killer to absolve your Messiah. But the problem is that's all people want to do is blame. What's the point of that now? It no longer matters who is to blame, what matters is how the club moves forward again. We can't change the things that have gone wrong, the people that led us to where we are, are for the most part, history. Hopefully, next season they will ALL be history. Irrespective of what division we're in next season, the club has to be rebuilt virtually from scratch and all we have to do is get behind the club, assuming we still have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 11 April, 2009 Share Posted 11 April, 2009 But the problem is that's all people want to do is blame. What's the point of that now? It no longer matters who is to blame, what matters is how the club moves forward again. We can't change the things that have gone wrong, the people that led us to where we are, are for the most part, history. Hopefully, next season they will ALL be history. Irrespective of what division we're in next season, the club has to be rebuilt virtually from scratch and all we have to do is get behind the club, assuming we still have one. I agree stthrobber. The damage has been done so now we simply have to pray that a buyer with enough clout appears to save our club. We have but 2 games left to show that we want our club to remain. Let's fill the stadium and try to get some points for the team because the boys can't do it without us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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