Fabrice29

On the basis that Larin is currently 1 for 5 in league games here, I'm not convinced that is evidence Onuachu or Larin would get 20 in this league. I'm also not convinced they are similar players at all, other than being relatively big? As Chez described Onuachu as "Terrible first touch, slow, no stamina, shit in the air.", how many of those would you attribute to Larin? Slow. But nothing about Larin performances here remind me of Onuachu at all. I'm not as impressed by Larin as others just yet but whilst Onuachu, did contribute slightly in that 1 period don't think their hold up play or effectiveness are similar in anyway. And, as my point has been throughout, and I'll stop banging on about now, it's all well and good people dreaming up situations in which Onuachu plays differently for us but the reality is he was here for however many seasons, most managers didn't like him and he was literally laughed at some weeks. That says more to me about what he would be like here because it's quite literally evidence of what he'd be like here. And that's much better evidence than his performances in a non comparable league that he's found himself being effective in. Good for him doing so though.

Well done for getting the point so quickly.

Juric tried building the team around him and Sulemana btw. How does it compare? Not sure, never watched it. But I did watch Onuachu play for Saints, in a Saints shirt, at St Mary’s, against opposition that Saints played, in competitions Saints played in so I do have a fairly good grasp of how that would go and don’t need to hypothetically dream up situations in which Onuachu is playing for Saints, in a Saints shirt, at St Mary’s against opposition that Saints played in competitions Saints play in to work out how he’d get on. None of his 18 goals in 21 games this season have been in the Championship either, have they?

Being in and out of a terrible team isn’t a flex. And we know he wouldn’t have got plenty for us at this level because the two times we’ve been relegated to this level he’s conveniently found himself on the end of a transfer move. You can’t score goals at this level if you don’t want to play at it.

4 goals in 40 here I think. It's almost as if Turkey and England are not the same. We don't have to think about what it would be like if he was here, we know, he was crap.

What has Romeu done to be involved? Let alone involved in a match against opposition who are a step up. All well and good not prioritising the cup but sticking him in from nowhere would be unfair on all those around him.

Or maybe I've just watched games and seen that the ultimately conclusive camera angle is not always the first one they watch and shown within 30 seconds.

If you think 30 seconds is enough time to wheel out every camera angle available to spot an obvious issue then please do get yourself into that world and quicken things up. Just last week a Liverpool player clearly used an arm to put the ball into the net and it took more than 30 seconds to come to the correct decision. And just before anyone posts it, the FA’s new idea of 2 unsuccessful challenges each is also a terrible idea. But hey ho, it sounds simple and effective so I’m sure no doubt people will think it’s common sense to do it.

Yes that’s fine and how we rise to the challenges is of course interesting. I’m pointing out that it’s not on the manager to rise to that challenge, but players. Can they cut out mistakes, continue to be resilient and continue to take chances? Because I think it was painfully obvious that’s where the failings have been this season rather than how good our managers supposedly are. All things a manager can influence a bit but predominantly on the players and we should reframe those conversations for me. But yeah, different people, different perspectives.

I'm not saying he doesn't have influence. I'm saying judging managers in batches of 7 games, ranked on difficulty, is something we should stop doing. We've gone through a significant portion of managers recently, mainly because we've wet the bed almost every time a bad run of results happen. I've said this before but we have to stick with a manager through poor form at some stage, but the fans initial reaction every time we lose once/twice/7 times is to always blame the manager. I think we started to address some of the major issues in January, we haven't addressed them all though and the defenders who have never shown themselves to be too far away from a mistake and unreliable goalscorers will rear their head again at some stage this season and when they do I think we should look in those directions rather than immediately declare the manager as not good enough because it's in a self chosen 7 game batch that we've somehow decided is a marker.

You’re making out Fellows hasn’t played as a RWB semi regularly before, including in arguably his biggest game before signing for us, against us. And making out we didn’t go on a mad run of form with him playing there and making out he’s not been pretty bang average and dropped since moving to RW.

Barely played CB well let alone RB.

You don’t seem to mention anything else as far as I can see? And you seem pretty keen to point out the next 7 games will tell us how much the managers influence has had so I just assumed that’s what you meant.

Probably worth noting Fellows form has dropped since the change (because having less space to run into as a dribbler isn’t always ideal) and it was also a change facilitated by actually having a fit and available right back too.

You’re right but claims like ‘let’s see what the next 7 games are like’ seem a bit wild to me. What if Eckert passes trousers test over the next 7 games with flying colours but never wins a game again. Good or bad? There’s obvious differences a manager can make, you’ve named some and Eckert has done well in some but I do think this fan base can take a step back from wild conclusions on managers, good or bad, based on small samples of results especially when 11 players on the pitch have stopped giving stupid goals away which immediately makes us more competitive.