Fabrice29

Chelsea away? Was there a header against West Ham that hit the bar or cleared off the line or something as well?

Because he's protecting the player like any good manager would do? His actions of dropping him and signing a replacement are pretty big indicators of what he really thinks.

What is the closest he's come to scoring for us out of interest? Anyone remember? (This is a genuine question, not a dig)

If it's a basic mistake it probably shouldn't be made whatever system or manager you have in place. I can find you examples of McCarthy making basic mistakes pre Martin and his system if you like?

The difference with McCarthy going long was unlike the goal he had plenty of time to take a touch and find a player but was rushed into smacking long by a crowd that got increasingly agitated every time we completed a pass near our own goal. Martin also had a go at Sugawara for doing the same late on and THB was consistently having a go at others for doing it throughout the game.

100% correct. The hatred for Martin on here is tying people up in knots. Probably the other way too admittedly but the desire to throw everything that happens at Martins feet is insane. Heard people coming out of the ground saying it was such an unlike Martin performance yesterday it’s proof we don’t need him because we played well. Then on here it’s considered a typical Martin fuck up that we didn’t win. The lad can’t breathe without it being the sole reason we’re losing. The lack of consideration for players doing stupid shit, some of whom have done it two (and arguably more) seasons in a row in this league is incredible.

Different managers, different players, similar mistakes. Almost as if it’s not tactics based and more down to bad decision making.

The first one is an example of poor decision making and silly mistakes and I hate to break it to you but that has never and will never be specific to Martin or any particular tactic.

I’m frustrated because I’d like to see us do better, obviously. But I’m also realistic in that I didn’t expect it to be too much different and even more so when you consider our lack of quality in certain areas. I’m also not using every single thing that happens as an excuse to wet myself with fury and have a pop at one particular bloke.

This is 100% true though. It’s a very bizarre British fans mentality thing.

Weren’t you pissed off all last season too? And pre season you spent pissed off because you had convinced yourself you wouldn’t be able to get into the ground? With all due respect nobody should take you seriously.

Yeah I don’t believe that’s true but suppose it’s subjective. I’d argue Jones and Selles had much better attacking players than we do now and them being in charge of this squad we’d be worse off but anyway, that’s a pointless debate. Literally 😂

Yes, you’re entitled because of our ‘history’. I’m slightly less entitled and it’s mainly because I’ve looked at things like the quality of the players on the pitch. Different people, different views.

We’re not playing any differently to last season, except we don’t have the quality to succeed in this league. That’s my biggest source of frustration at the whole thing. People can talk about shooting ourselves in the foot and systems all they like but we finished bottom of this league last time and it has 3 different managers, at least two different systems (none of which are comparable to todays system) and still a shit load of silly mistakes.

When this happens I’m happy to jump on board any kind of hate train, but it hasn’t yet.

I’m obviously disappointed ffs, I’m just not entitled, over reacting or convinced if I swear today I’ll be kicked out. That’s the difference. If this is the lowest you’ve felt in 40 years then try swearing a bit today. The rush you’ll feel when a steward doesn’t even glance at you let alone kick you out is going to be off the scale.

Well nobody has stuck up any Albanian flags in the Northam yet in some weird belief that the bbc would give a shit so yeah good stuff so far thanks.

Acceptable 😂 Like you’re owed a certain amount of points.

We’ve just been promoted via the play offs after being relegated the year before in 20th position. The idea that everyone should be pissed off because we’re struggling is insane.

That’s not true or even close to being true.

Essentially that’s a very long way of saying majority of people that go to games so far don’t agree with you. As for ‘for whatever reason the fans won’t challenge Martin’ maybe it’s because they remember the promotion last season and have some empathy with the challenge for him and the team this season? As for the bolded bit above, you sound utterly unhinged.

Talking of taking days off hun, try not to look so keen 😉

Two of which have been relegated before in this league and the other is in his first PL season.

The same reason players get wage rises upon promotion…because paying a championship manager a PL wage in the championship just so you don’t have to offer him new terms if he gets promoted is daft and it’s an incentive to do well.

This would have been a trigger in his contract upon promotion not some desperate attempt to get him to stay.